Not much has been said about this but one thing China had going for them economically was the Chinese new year holiday where many of the businesses are shut down for a long time anyway. This helped with the social distancing by not having as many people showing up to work. This probably helped them flatten the infection curve.
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So much for Italy flattening out.
El Jason
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CDC analysis shows coronavirus poses serious risk for younger people — The Hill
Early data analyzed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shows that younger Americans are at substantial risk of experiencing serious medical problems from the coronavirus sweeping the globe.
El Jason
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Pence Warns Coronavirus Disruptions Could Last 'Well Into July' — NPR
In an interview with NPR, the vice president defended the administration's response to the coronavirus but acknowledged that the government expects to be dealing with the crisis "for months."
El Jason
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President Trump Signs Coronavirus Emergency Aid Package — NPR
The Senate approved a new package earlier Wednesday providing paid sick leave and boosting testing for the coronavirus.
El Jason
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Opinion | They Went Off the Grid. They Came Back to the Coronavirus. — The New York Times
25 days rafting through the Grand Canyon meant no access to the news — and a new reality when the trip ended.
SAJ-99
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Please understand, pneumonia is simply the accumulation of fluid in the air sacs of the lungs. It has more causes than we can possibly list here. Most Covid-19 patients will die of pneumonia. The subtlety is kind of important.
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That’s kind of what I was getting at. Normally we wouldn’t bother determining which virus caused it. We might differentiate between bacterial and viral. If the total number goes up very little or not at all, but most of them test positive for covid-19, then are we going to assume that something unusual happened other than testing to determine which exact virus caused the problem?
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Here's some cheery news
www.yahoo.com
U.S. Virus Plan Anticipates 18-Month Pandemic and Widespread Shortages
WASHINGTON -- A federal government plan to combat the coronavirus warned policymakers last week that a pandemic "will last 18 months or longer" and could include "multiple waves," resulting in widespread shortages that would strain consumers and the nation's health care system.The
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El Jason
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At least we’re finally being realistic. You may as well know that you’re about to eat a big shit sandwich.Here's some cheery newsU.S. Virus Plan Anticipates 18-Month Pandemic and Widespread Shortages
WASHINGTON -- A federal government plan to combat the coronavirus warned policymakers last week that a pandemic "will last 18 months or longer" and could include "multiple waves," resulting in widespread shortages that would strain consumers and the nation's health care system.The
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Bigjay73
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Unless they produce an actual vaccine in the next 12 months, which is still a long time. Oh well, I live in a sanctuary city, guess I'll take up a space in capital park
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Just read the last few posts.........and isn't that some cheery news to end the night?
Stay safe and healthy everyone
Stay safe and healthy everyone
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But during a “normal” year, we don’t see exponential growth in disease curves. We don’t see 26 patients die at a nursing home in Washington in a matter of a few days. You don’t see developed countries triaging which patients get ventilators because there aren’t enough for everyone.
COVID-19: Italy doctors 'forced to choose which patients get ICU care'
A nurse in Lombardy tells Euronews that medical staff are being forced to decide who gets crucial treatment and who does not.
www.euronews.com
There have been multiple flu strains circulating since late summer/fall and it was business as usual. Then Covid-19 started spreading all over, and suddenly critical care units are overrun with patients. There is nothing “normal” about this. And when the healthcare professionals in the US say that we are heading toward the same train wreck that Italy is in, I’m inclined to believe them.
My mom is an RN at a regional hospital in the Pacific NW. Normally her floor is dedicated to head/spinal injuries. They have moved those patients out to make more room for COVID-19 patients. That’s something that has never happened, even in “abnormal” flu years. She’s been a nurse for 35 years and she’s never seen anything remotely like this. I’m not excited about the prospect of my 60-something mom being at ground zero of this.
If you still think this all just seems like business as usual, you aren’t grasping the situation.
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I was at a shutdown dormitory building this week. Denver is in the process of getting it back online to house overflow covid patients. They are bracing for extremes, thank God. It is far from business as usual
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But during a “normal” year, we don’t see exponential growth in disease curves. We don’t see 26 patients die at a nursing home in Washington in a matter of a few days. You don’t see developed countries triaging which patients get ventilators because there aren’t enough for everyone.
COVID-19: Italy doctors 'forced to choose which patients get ICU care'
A nurse in Lombardy tells Euronews that medical staff are being forced to decide who gets crucial treatment and who does not.
There have been multiple flu strains circulating since late summer/fall and it was business as usual. Then Covid-19 started spreading all over, and suddenly critical care units are overrun with patients. There is nothing “normal” about this. And when the healthcare professionals in the US say that we are heading toward the same train wreck that Italy is in, I’m inclined to believe them.
My mom is an RN at a regional hospital in the Pacific NW. Normally her floor is dedicated to head/spinal injuries. They have moved those patients out to make more room for COVID-19 patients. That’s something that has never happened, even in “abnormal” flu years. She’s been a nurse for 35 years and she’s never seen anything remotely like this. I’m not excited about the prospect of my 60-something mom being at ground zero of this.
If you still think this all just seems like business as usual, you aren’t grasping the situation.
IMO definitely not business as usual. Germany closed five neighboring borders. The EU Grand Wizard gave a speech saying that the EU had to fight the outbreak as a unit and not individual countries, Merkle ignored that.
The Swiss let it get out of hand and are now facing Hospital collapse in 10 days.
Twenty mile backup for truck traffic at the German-Polish border.
Merkle gave a speech tonight encouraging young people not to ignore the rules against gathering, then said there was no lockdown at the moment. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together got the implied threat. They are already giving out travel passes for critical jobs and services, though there isn't a true lockdown yet.
They are moving my wife home two weeks early from the hospital, she had major surgery.
The last item on the long closing list was Bordellos.
I don’t know if this is the place to post this but I have always been fascinated by it and it’s related to infectious disease.
I always knew this happened but I had never seen photos until today.
These are my great-great grandparents John and Laura Pearson. They homesteaded in Stillwater county in the early 1900s.
They died in the Spanish Flu of 1918. My great aunt was 18 and already married and helped raise her siblings in a small ranch house outside Fishtail. Her oldest sibling was her 16 year old brother, my great grandfather with the same name as me. The youngest was only 4 days old when her parents died.
I always knew this happened but I had never seen photos until today.
These are my great-great grandparents John and Laura Pearson. They homesteaded in Stillwater county in the early 1900s.
They died in the Spanish Flu of 1918. My great aunt was 18 and already married and helped raise her siblings in a small ranch house outside Fishtail. Her oldest sibling was her 16 year old brother, my great grandfather with the same name as me. The youngest was only 4 days old when her parents died.
We need some positive news:
www.connexionfrance.com
www.fiercepharma.com
The drug (hydroxychloroquine) happens to be what my wife, an ER worker, has been told she'll be able to try experimentally through Mayo Clinic should she come in contact with COVID-19.
French researcher posts successful Covid-19 drug trial
A renowned research professor in France has reported successful results from a new treatment for Covid-19, with early tests suggesting it can stop the virus from being contagious in just six days.
Bayer donates millions of tablets of chloroquine to help in COVID-19 fight
Biopharma companies have scrambled to start new R&D projects and repurpose existing medicines amid the COVID-19 crisis. Now, Bayer is donating an older treatment to the U.S. government for potential use.
www.fiercepharma.com
The drug (hydroxychloroquine) happens to be what my wife, an ER worker, has been told she'll be able to try experimentally through Mayo Clinic should she come in contact with COVID-19.
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But during a “normal” year, we don’t see exponential growth in disease curves. We don’t see 26 patients die at a nursing home in Washington in a matter of a few days. You don’t see developed countries triaging which patients get ventilators because there aren’t enough for everyone.
COVID-19: Italy doctors 'forced to choose which patients get ICU care'
A nurse in Lombardy tells Euronews that medical staff are being forced to decide who gets crucial treatment and who does not.
There have been multiple flu strains circulating since late summer/fall and it was business as usual. Then Covid-19 started spreading all over, and suddenly critical care units are overrun with patients. There is nothing “normal” about this. And when the healthcare professionals in the US say that we are heading toward the same train wreck that Italy is in, I’m inclined to believe them.
My mom is an RN at a regional hospital in the Pacific NW. Normally her floor is dedicated to head/spinal injuries. They have moved those patients out to make more room for COVID-19 patients. That’s something that has never happened, even in “abnormal” flu years. She’s been a nurse for 35 years and she’s never seen anything remotely like this. I’m not excited about the prospect of my 60-something mom being at ground zero of this.
If you still think this all just seems like business as usual, you aren’t grasping the situation.
How many covid-19 patients does she have, and what are their conditions?
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Your point is valid, but we won’t know until all this is over. As Hunting Wife pointed out, it isn’t normal. I don’t think we should try to talk ourselves into this being normal.
El Jason
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It’s about as normal as 1988 was for forest fires.
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