shootbrownelk
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Evil finds a way, imposing strict laws on law abiding citizens won't stop that.
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Evil finds a way, imposing strict laws on law abiding citizens won't stop that.
Ignoring the root cause is true. This last mass shooting barely tops some weekends in Chicago. And Chicago gun laws are weak? Politicians suck at root cause analysis because they hate dealing in facts. Fact, that city hit the 300th Homocide this weekend. How many didn't die? Nothing to see here......business as usual in a city with strict gun laws.
Who determines what laws are "Common sense"....our Representatives who have none themselves? Fineswine? Shumer? Boxer? Background checks for Chicago's south side? All the gun laws on the books already in Chicago have absolutely NO effect on the shooting rampages that occur there every weekend. You might be willing to trade some of your rights & freedoms for a promise of security....I am not. It's the camel's nose under the tent. You give the gun-grabbers an inch and they take a mile. That's for sure & for certain. JMO
Who determines what laws are "Common sense"....our Representatives who have none themselves? Fineswine? Shumer? Boxer?
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The people will decide. One side feels a deranged person shouldn't have the ability to roll out of bed at noon, buy a semi-auto "assault-style" rifle, boxes of ammo, a handful of clips, then go into a bar and rack up 100+ casualties. The other side does not want to lose their "gun rights" and vigorously disagrees, insisting gun-grabbing liberals are clueless because he bought a detachable magazine, not a clip. And furthermore, if he couldn't get a gun he would have just used a knife.
One of those sides is going to lose.
Exactly this. When your best argument is calling someone "clueless" because of using the interchangable terms of "magazine" and "clip", or arguing the definition of "assault weapon" doesn't really exist, because that is not a term, and, if it did, it means everybody's fave Browning A-500 autloader goose hunting shotgun.
And the phony "but look at Chicago" argument is just as ineffective.
One side is on the ropes in this debate, one side has 90% plus of the public on their side.
The times, they are a changing....
Sort of, but everybody called them "clips" back in the day and many gun nuts still do. Furthermore, most people know that so making a big deal out of it only cuts into the credibility of the gun crowd who may be pointing out legitimate flaws in proposed laws.I think the nomenclature is relevant in many situations though. For example most California State legislators can't even describe the components of a CA compliant AR. There are some great comparisons to CA legislators talking about guns, to a panel of 60+ year old men talking about women's reproductive rights. Sometimes they should just shut their mouth and get a few facts straight first before they try and restrict freedoms.
Disagree. I think intelligent people don't put meaning in stupid Biden-type comments, and see the fixation on them as a deflection from a real underlying issue. But the bigger issue is the lack of substantive comments in defense of these "assault rifles." You get crap like "guns don't kill people, people do" or "they will just use knives" or ""Chicago" whose laws only exist to the city limits. The majority of the people see the problems with those statements.Rob, I think most citizens regard the usual spotlight grabbing liberals' stupidity much deeper than nomenclature over a few misnomers.
Jose, come again on Chicago's abject failure being comparison exempt.
It won't be long before instead of "He would have just used a knife" you'll be saying "Remember the Alamo." The path the gun nuts are taking is unsustainable. Given the money to be made by milking the conflict, I'm sure the gun leaders would have it no other way.Yes, we disagree.