I get suckered into following these political threads everything. And everything I get worked up by some people comments. But last night while doing a training hike, and in between avoiding rattlesnakes, I contemplated why it feels like rational, reasonable people on here, have irrational illogical arguments to support bass-ackward beliefs (I will caveat that by saying I've never actually met any of you so you could all be bat $hit crazy for all I actually know). I came to the conclusion that it can't be facts that actually determine what people believe. It must be that their environment is filled with people (friends, family, coworkers) that have these sets of opinions and reason to support those opinions. Throughout the daily grind of life they've learned that these people are good, trust worthy, honest people and thus (consciously or subconsciously) conclude their opinions must follow suit, and are therefore adopted as there own. So then when those same people demonize other ideas or types of people, it doesn't matter what the facts are. Their life histories already weight those negative ideas more heavily, often too heavily to be countered. Meaning there's really little to no point in having a political discussion at all, a conclusion that not only has been expressed by others whom I respect, but also is just one of those over-arching social laws we're taught early in life, "Never talk religion or politics".