BigHornRam
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That's a good idea. When you lose your job due to high energy costs brought on by cap and trade, you can still get a job hoeing weeds!
Regressive's, the newest incarnation of the old progressive's.
Major Climate Change Rules the Trump Administration Is Reversing
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Regressive's, the newest incarnation of the old progressive's.
BigHornRam
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Interesting article on Tom Steyer's patagouchi style ranch. It's his money, and he can spend it how he sees fit to spend it. The media gave him some attention to what he's doing here, but is not over hyping it. If he comes up with a few good practical ideas I say great! If he doesn't, oh well, it was his money to spend .
www.politico.com
Tom Steyer Thinks His Ranch Can Save the Planet
The long-shot presidential candidate wants to prove you can farm without destroying the environment. But like his campaign, it’s an expensive undertaking that’s had mixed results.
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Susan Crockford fired after finding polar bears thriving despite climate change
Nobody has done more to sink the claim that climate change is endangering polar bears than zoologist Susan Crockford — and she may have paid for it with her job.
amp.washingtontimes.com
Might want to pick a credible source that isn't funded by the climate denial funding world, Charles. https://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-payments-university-victoria-professor-susan-crockford-probed
And I give you two demerits for citing the Washington Times.
And I give you two demerits for citing the Washington Times.
Ah Ben, she lost her job! Where's the compassion? 
Seems a par for the course reputable source, all things considered. Matches politics, Climate deniers or climate, "sky is falling"... Both have their vaulted, prized contributions.
Seems a par for the course reputable source, all things considered. Matches politics, Climate deniers or climate, "sky is falling"... Both have their vaulted, prized contributions.
BigHornRam
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Nerdy stuff from another dubious source.
www.forbes.com
If Climate Scenarios Are Wrong For 2020, Can They Get 2100 Right?
If flawed scenarios make their way into climate models, we would be using misleading projections of climate, its impacts and the costs and benefits of alternative approaches to climate policy.
www.forbes.com
BigHornRam
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Probably another dubious source. What do you think of this "game changing" technology Ben? Any merit to it? Potential environmental concerns?
www.dailymail.co.uk
Father-of-eight invents an electric car battery
British engineer and former Royal Navy officer Trevor Jackson, signed a multi-million-pound deal to start manufacturing the battery on a large scale in the UK.
noharleyyet
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97%, white papers, credible sources, fossil fuel the debbil, TDS...blah blah & whatnot
So,
The first article is a from a guy who doesn't deny human-caused climate change, just disagrees with modeling. He's not a climatologist, but a mathematician who works in some way around climate change. Still, he's often cited by deniers who don't understand his work well, nor do they care, since his position reinforces their belief that climate change isn't real, and therefore any writing that contradicts others is good info. Like all things in the world, it's much more complex that people make it out to be. Still, he's a much better source than others that you've linked too. Nice job getting it 50% right.
As for the battery deal, every energy source has an environmental impact. If this source proves out, then it's a big step forward in some aspects. There are often new technological advances that look promising to begin with, but then peter out when they try to scale them up to industrial applications. Interesting article.
The first article is a from a guy who doesn't deny human-caused climate change, just disagrees with modeling. He's not a climatologist, but a mathematician who works in some way around climate change. Still, he's often cited by deniers who don't understand his work well, nor do they care, since his position reinforces their belief that climate change isn't real, and therefore any writing that contradicts others is good info. Like all things in the world, it's much more complex that people make it out to be. Still, he's a much better source than others that you've linked too. Nice job getting it 50% right.
As for the battery deal, every energy source has an environmental impact. If this source proves out, then it's a big step forward in some aspects. There are often new technological advances that look promising to begin with, but then peter out when they try to scale them up to industrial applications. Interesting article.
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noharleyyet
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#twobatteriesforthediesel
#20Kmilesin6years
Add slave labor/prison labor for rare earth materials in China too, Charles.
Everything has an impact. O&G developments cause massive upticks in crime, especially in human trafficking and sexual abuse, drugs and violence in rural areas. Coal mining kills miners, creates toxic waste and is a leading cause of climate change. Nuclear energy is volatile and toxic, yet relatively safe compared to other forms of energy. Biomass has some interesting applications, but still produces CO2 that goes into the air, further complicating the issue.
The real issue is how to create a world that is less polluted & volatile, rather than revert back to the tribalism of fossil fuels versus the world.
#Bloodbatteries?
MSHA maintains the best mining safety in the world. Yet, Americans are forced out of mining job opportunities due to the #Notinmybackyard - leave it to the #BloodBatteryKids for my jolly ride...
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MSHA maintains the best mining safety in the world. Yet, Americans are forced out of mining job opportunities due to the #Notinmybackyard - leave it to the #BloodBatteryKids for my jolly ride...
/#StrawmanFTW
BigHornRam
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I'm skeptical of the recyclable aluminium fuel cell technology. They are talking about using cheap off hour hydro power to power the recycling energy requirements. Similar to the power source Columbia Falls aluminum plant used. Didn't turn out to be too good environment wise.
As for CO2 being released when biomass is combusted for energy production, I thought the whole issue was with combusting sequestered fossil fuels? #movingthegoalpostagain
Demolition Nearly Completed at Columbia Falls Superfund Site - Flathead Beacon
Instead of the massive pot rooms that once pumped out millions of pounds of aluminum, dozens of local residents saw sprawling holes at the Columbia Falls Aluminum Co. during a public presentation and tour on May 9, a show of progress at the contaminated Environmental Protection Agency Superfund...
flatheadbeacon.com
As for CO2 being released when biomass is combusted for energy production, I thought the whole issue was with combusting sequestered fossil fuels? #movingthegoalpostagain
Not really. It's about global economics. If only Americans would work for pennies a day, then they too could be a part of the profit center for multi-nationals.
I'm certainly not anti-mining. My extended family works in Trona, Coa, Palladium and has worked Steel & Uranium mines in the past. Dad died because of working in an Uranium mill in the early 60's. Cousin died on the job at Stillwater. Mining is a noble profession, and when done right, can be reclaimed. That doesn't change the fact that coal is causing dramatic climate effects, or that management's profit comes before workers jobs. While there is some resistance to mining for various minerals in areas of concern, I don't think that people are anti-mining so much as anti-destruction of sacred places.
I'll say it again for the slow kid in the back of the room: All energy has environmental costs. That's not saying one is worse than the other, but recognizing that anything we do to produce energy will have environmental costs associated with it.
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Right here at home I live where the last glacier stopped. I wonder if the peoples who were living here then had their SUV's crushed by said glacier as they were heating their penthouse with coal burning stoves. Pesky climate change anyway, it had the audacity to re-route the Missouri River! If only the people who caused that would have stopped burning coal, running cattle, and driving SUV's. I guess history really does repeat.
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