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Fast and Substantial Reduction of Gasoline Consumption Can be Achieved Easily Through Economic Incentives to Consumers

NEW YORK, May 2 /PRNewswire/ -- "The nation's consumption of gasoline can be reduced quickly and substantially through a series of economic incentives," according to Carl Person, a Green Party candidate for New York Attorney General.

The incentives can be created by state action, but the results would be best if the economic incentives were uniform, and created by a federal Energy Conservation Agency.

Person states that, "hundreds of incentives are possible", and provides a list of incentives that he believes should be adopted:

1. scale parking and moving-violation fines to the car's fuel-efficiency rating -- e.g., $15 for 100-MPG vehicle and $200 for a Hummer

2. scaled gasoline sales taxes, scanning a fuel-efficiency bar code to determine the tax, with no tax (or a negative tax, further lowering the pump price) charged for the most efficient cars, and much higher taxes for the guzzlers

3. set parkway, bridge and tunnel tolls similarly

4. HOV-lane use with fewer passengers for high MPG vehicles

5. Scale motor vehicle inspection and registration fees

6. Extend street parking hours for the more efficient cars

7. Grant priority housing, parking and reduced tuition to students with the most fuel-efficient cars (without discriminating against students without cars)

8. Tax credit for similar corporate incentives offered to corporate employees

9. Free roadside service (paid by higher taxes on guzzlers)

10. Eliminate late fees up to 15 days -- required of all federally-charted financial institutions

11. Government payment of all or a percentage of a consumer's purchase price for a fuel-efficient car with current non-efficient car being scrapped (and engine destroyed) with purchaser restrictions on resale to encourage later purchase of car with equal or higher efficiency (or return purchased car or resale proceeds to government) and driver's license endorsed with restrictions as enforcement mechanism


With these and other incentives, the government will quickly encourage most car owners to acquire and use the most fuel-efficient cars, and the demand for gasoline and other oil and energy products will be lowered substantially, with resulting decreases in consumer prices.
 
...that chit won't fly John...gasoline will go down 10% & SUV sales will go up 30.
 
Sounds like a "green party" idea to me. Any wonder why no one other than a few kooks takes them serious? Wonder what order time and profit margines would be on the "most fuel efficient" cars if this brain fart was implemented?

BTW my accountant sent me a list of tax saving items to consider for next year that encourages conservation. There is a tax credit of up to several thousand bucks if one was to buy a hybred, or so much for installing efficient A. C. and heat.
 
BHR,

And my question is why havent things like better insulation in your home, better windows, more efficient heaters and AC, cars with greater fuel efficiencies, installing solar panels, etc. not been tax deductions for the last 20 years????

Those types of things are low-hanging fruit and the dippies in the Whitehouse should have plucked it years ago...in particular if they REALLY were concerned with conservation of energy.
 
Even more interesting is the fact BHR just built a new house and chose not to install efficient AC and Heat. Talk about a brain fart....
 
Buzz,

There there have been all kinds of tax incentives on energy conservation and solar power over the last 20 years.....you just need to be smart enough to know there out there if you want to take advantage of them. Even with the incentives to buy a hybred, I'm not interested. My Dodge deisel works fine for towing tools and trailers.

Jose,

I live in Montana and only pussies here need AC for the 3 warm days of summer. As for heat, I use the ultimate renewable energy, wood. My accountant was just passing on new tax laws that may be of interest to his clients in 2006. Maybe you and Buzz should go out and buy a hybred and prove what great enviromentalists you are?
 
I don't like hybrid cars. Maybe someone can change my mind about Hybrids, but so far nobody has convinced me that they are that great. Why not get a volkswagen Jetta, Golf, or other diesel? They get over 50 mpg and will last forever.

I've got 250,000 miles on my car (Nissan, gas powered....1992 model) and it gets decent gas mileage. I hear that the hybrid vehicles mileage decreases greatly as the batteries become more weak over time. Also, when the batteries go dead in a hybrid, what happens to the batteries; do they go in a landfill? I heard that the batteries cost upwards of $5,000 to replace.

Does anyone know how long the batteries will last and continue to work efficiently on a hybrid? How many miles can one expect to get out of say a Toyota Prius?

How much energy and natural resources will get used up producing a bunch of hybrid vehicles, that the green party advocates that people drive, instead of people just driving their older vehicles instead of buying all new cars?

Anyway, its not cost effective for me to go get a new car to be able to get another 20 mpg (even if gas goes up another $4/gallon). I'd rather rebuild the engine or install another engine when it goes TU than spend a bunch of money on a new "green" vehicle.

Instead of all the incentives that the green party has come up with, the government should really increase the mpg average requirement that they make the auto industry adhere to. I don't generally like government involvement (supply and demand should work most of the time) but people are just going to keep buying gas guzzlers because they like them and they like the power. And the only way that supply and demand will work to get the public to demand more fuel efficient vehicles is to let the gas prices go way, way up..........and that really won't be good for our economy.

I'd like to see more diesel powered vehicles available in the U.S.A. And I'd like to see more biodiesel being sold commercially. Diesel powered vehicles are proven technology and biodiesel is proven. That's what the green party "kooks" should be pushing.........not hybrids.
 
We just got our first Bio-Diesel plant in Louisiana the other day, it was interesting read. What the Greens seem to forget is there is a whole lot of people that will never have the funds from Granny to buy those new High mileage vehicles, so they come up with "Lets tax the Well Off" and funnel that Difference down to those that we need diving our Green Cars. If I want to buy someone a car, I'll buy the wife or boy one. I see the need and want to see more high mileage cars on the road, but not the way this fellow advocates. John
 
"Why not get a volkswagen Jetta, Golf, or other diesel"

Biggest piece of chit I ever bought. Could've bought 2 hybrids by now with what I stuck into my VW.

Interesting about the hybrid battery cost/life/mpg decline. I may look into that.
 
MNHunter said:
"Why not get a volkswagen Jetta, Golf, or other diesel"

Biggest piece of chit I ever bought. Could've bought 2 hybrids by now with what I stuck into my VW.

Really? Wow, I've always heard great things about the Volkswagens. What year is your piece of chit?
 
I heard that they rarely break down.........but I apparently have been talking with the wrong people. Show me a Toyota or Honda (non-hybrid) that gets over or close to 50 mpg.
 
Here's a more up to date list:


2006 Small Cars with MPG > 35
Sorted by MPG (city), Click on column headings to resort
Use your gas prices Switch to Metric units



MPG Annual
Fuel
Cost Greenhouse
Gas
Emissions
(tons/yr) EPA Air
Pollution
Score
0 to 10 (best)
Compare
up to 4 Model city hwy


Honda Insight
3 cyl, 1 L, Man(5), HEV, Regular 60 66 $696 3.0




Honda Insight
3 cyl, 1 L, Auto(variable), HEV, Regular 57 56 $784 3.3




Honda Civic Hybrid
4 cyl, 1.3 L, Auto(variable), HEV, Regular 49 51 $876 3.7




Volkswagen New Beetle
4 cyl, 1.9 L, Man(5), Diesel 37 44 $1088 5.4



Volkswagen Golf
4 cyl, 1.9 L, Man(5), Diesel 37 44 $1088 5.4



Volkswagen Jetta
4 cyl, 1.9 L, Man(5), Diesel 36 41 $1144 5.6 NA


Volkswagen New Beetle
4 cyl, 1.9 L, Auto(6), Diesel 35 42 $1144 5.6



Volkswagen Jetta
4 cyl, 1.9 L, Auto(6), Diesel 35 42 $1144 5.6 NA


Volkswagen Golf
4 cyl, 1.9 L, Auto(S5), Diesel 33 44 $1175 5.7



Toyota Corolla
4 cyl, 1.8 L, Man(5), Regular 32 41 $1218 5.2





* Based on 45% highway driving, 55% city driving, 15000 annual miles and the price of fuel used by the vehicle. You may customize these values to reflect the price of fuel in your area and your own driving patterns.


GHG- Greenhouse gas emissions expressed in CO2 equivalents. Estimates include the full fuel cycle and exclude vehicle manufacture. (U.S. Department of Energy, GREET Model, Argonne National Laboratory)

If that's too difficult to decipher, look here, and enter "35" in the MPG box:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byMPG.htm

It looks like if you don't want a hybrid or a VW a Toyota Corolla is a good choice.
 
Find me truck that can tow a trailer or haul a cord of wood and get that kind of mileage. I think my diesel does pretty good at 18 MPG. Where would Mr. Green Party Candidate rank that in his incentive plan?
 
BHR, but the majority of the fuel is probably burned by people commuting to work. They don't need a big diesel pickup to drive to work. Just think how the consumption of fuel would go down if tomorrow everybody commuting to work was driving a car that got 40+ mpg.
 
I stand corrected. I might have been given mis-information. I was told a few years ago that the VW diesels got over 50 mpg. (maybe they did in older model years:confused: )

One reason I still like the diesels is because you could convert it over for burning biodiesel. Also, a diesel motor should last at least 500,000 miles.

BHR - I'm with you re: the diesel pickup also. I've got a '93 Chevy that get 17mpg on the highway and can tow anything I need to tow with it. I park it most of the time and drive a cheap commuter car to work (when I'm not working from home).
 
I guess was right about the older VW diesels. The website WH linked shows that the older models were rated at 49 hwy. The people I talked to a few years ago were saying they were getting 55 mpg on the hwy......so maybe they were right. Why would VW get less mpg now than they did before?

Now it looks like there are more options for vehicles that get that kind of mileage.
 
My VW is a 2000. Bought it in 04. Longest it has gone without being in the shop for repairs was 4 months. A lot of little stuff and a lot of big stuff. I think I have replaced everything under the hood. My cousin has a newer one and hates it as well.

I will say I have had bad luck with vehicles, except for my Mountaineer.
 
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