2 Californians and a Texan

The Hedgehog

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Come on what happened to that thread? The one where WANNABUYA200 claims leasing Montana land is how we can better ourselves as sportsman and show landowners how we'll care for their "peice" of earth.

Then 2 Californians and a Texan came to the rescue.. it was sorta like the Alamo..
 
These are the men of the Alamo! Davy Crockett is on the list.

They defended against thousands of soldiers in Santa Anna's army, answered his raising of the red flag symbolizing take no prisoners with a canon shot, and gave Sam Houston time to assemble an army that defeated Santa Anna in 15 min. at San Jacinto shortly after the Alamo fell.



ABAMILLO Juan - Texas
ALLEN R. - unknown
ANDROSS Mills DeForest - Vermont
AUTRY Micajah - North Carolina
BADILLO Juan A. - Texas
BAILEY Peter James - Kentucky
BAKER Isaac G. - Arkansas
BAKER William Charles M. - Missouri
BALLENTINE John J. - unknown
BALLENTINE Robert W. - Scotland
BAUGH John J. - Virginia
BAYLISS Joseph - Tennessee
BLAIR John - Tennessee
BLAIR Samuel C. - Tennessee
BLAZEBY William - England
BONHAM James Butler - South Carolina
BOURNE Daniel - England
BOWIE James - Tennessee
BOWMAN Jesse B. - Arkansas
BROWN George - England
BROWN James - Pennsylvania
BROWN Robert - unknown
BUCHANAN James - Alabama
BURNS Samuel E. - Ireland
BUTLER Geoge D. - Missouri
CAMPBELL Robert - Tennessee
CANE John - Pennsylvania
CAREY William R. - Virginia
CLARK Charles Henry - Missouri
CLARK M.B. - unknown
CLOUD Daniel William - Kentucky
COCHRAN Robert E. - New Jersey
COTTLE George Washington - Tennessee
COURTMAN Henry - Germany
CRAWFORD Lemuel - South Carolina
CROCKETT David - Tennessee
CROSSMAN Robert - Massachussetts
CUMMINGS David P. - Pennsylvania
CUNNINGHAM Robert - New York
DARST Jacob C. - Kentucky
DAVIS John - Kentucky
DAY Freeman H.K. - unknown
DAY Jerry C. - Missouri
DAYMON Squire - Tennessee
DEARDUFF William - Tennessee
DENNISON Stephen - England
DESPALLIER Charles - Louisiana
DICKINSON Almeron - Tennessee
DILLARD John H. - Tennessee
DIMPKINS James R. - England
DUEL Lewis - New York
DUVALT Andrew - Ireland
ESPALIER Carlos - Texas
ESPARZA Gregorio - Texas
EVANS Robert - Ireland
EVANS Samuel B. - New York
EWING James L. - Tennessee
FISHBAUGH William - Alabama
FLANDRES John - Massachussetts
FLOYD Dolphin Ward - North Carolina
FORSYTH John Hubbard - New York
FUENTES Antonio - Texas
FUQUA Galba - Alabama
FURTLEROY William H. - Kentucky
GARNETT William - Tennessee
GARRAND James W. - Louisiana
GARRETT James Girard - Tennessee
GARVIN John E. - unknown
GASTON John E. - Kentucky
GEORGE James - unknown
GOODRICH John Calvin - Tennessee
GRIMES Albert Calvin - Georgia
GUERRERO Jose Maria - Texas
GWYNNE James C. - England
HANNUM James - unknown
HARRIS John - Kentucky
HARRISON Andrew Jackson - unknown
HARRISON William B. - Ohio
HASKELL (HEISKELL) Charles M. - Tennessee
HAWKINS Joseph M. - Ireland
HAYS John M. - Tennessee
HERNDON Patrick Henry - Virginia
HERSEE William D. - England
HOLLAND Tapley - Ohio
HOLLOWAY Samuel - Pennsylvania
HOWELL William D. - Massachussetts
JACKSON William Daniel - Ireland
JACKSON Thomas - Ireland
JAMESON Green B. - Kentucky
JENNINGS Gordon C. - Connecticut
JOHNSON Lewis - Wales
JOHNSON William - Pennsylvania
JONES John - New York
KELLOG Johnnie - unknown
KENNEY James - Virginia
KENT Andrew - Kentucky
KERR Joseph - Louisiana
KIMBALL (KIMBLE) George C. - New York
KING William P. - unknown
LEWIS William Irvine - Virginia
LIGHTFOOT William J. - Virginia
LINDLEY Jonathan L. - Illinois
LINN William - Massachussetts
LOSOYA Toribio D. - Texas
MAIN George Washington - Virginia
MALONE William T. - Virginia
MARSHALL William - Tennessee
MARTIN Albert - Rhode Island
McCAFFERTY Edward - unknown
McCOY Jesse - Tennessee
McDOWELL William - Pennsylvania
McGEE James - Ireland
McGREGOR John - Scotland
McKINNEY Robert M. - Ireland
MELTON Eliel - Georgia
MILLER Thomas R. - Tennessee
MILLS William - Tennessee
MILLSAPS Isaac - Mississippi
MITCHUSSON Edward F. - Virginia
MITCHELL Edwin T. - Georgia
MITCHELL Napoleon B. - unknown
MOORE Robert B. - Virginia
MOORE Willis - Mississippi
MUSSELMAN Robert - Ohio
NAVA Andres - Texas
NEGGAN George - South Carolina
NELSON Andrew M. - Tennessee
NELSON Edward - South Carolina
NELSON George - South Carolina
NORTHCROSS James - Virginia
NOWLAN James - Ireland
PAGAN George - Mississippi
PARKER Chistopher - Mississippi
PARKS William - North Carolina
PERRY Richardson - unknown
POLLARD Amos - Massachussetts
REYNOLDS John Purdy - Pennsylvania
ROBERTS Thomas H. - unknown
ROBERTSON James - Tennessee
ROBINSON Isaac - Scotland
ROSE James M. - Virginia
RUSK Jackson J. - Ireland
RUTHERFORD Joseph - Kentucky
RYAN Isaac - Louisiana
SCURLOCK Mial - North Carolina
SEWELL Marcus L. - England
SHIED Manson - Georgia
SIMMONS Cleveland Kinlock - South Carolina
SMITH Andrew H. - Tennessee
SMITH Charles S. - Maryland
SMITH Joshua G. - North Carolina
SMITH William H. - unknown
STARR Richard - England
STEWART James E. - England
STOCKTON Richard L. - Virginia
SUMMERLIN Spain - Tennessee
SUMMERS William E. - Tennessee
SUTHERLAND William D. - Alabama
TAYLOR Edward - Tennessee
TAYLOR George - Tennessee
TAYLOR James - Tennessee
TAYLOR William - Tennessee
THOMAS B.Archer M. - Kentucky
THOMAS Henry - Germany
THOMPSON Jesse G. - Arkansas
THOMSON John W. - North Carolina
THRUSTON John M. - Pennsylvania
TRAMMEL Burke - Ireland
TRAVIS William Barret - South Carolina
TUMLINSON George W. - Missouri
TYLEE James - New York
WALKER Asa - Tennessee
WALKER Jacob - Tennessee
WARD William B. - Ireland
WARNELL Henry - Arkansas
WASHINGTON Joseph G. - Tennessee
WATERS Thomas - England
WELLS William - Georgia
WHITE Isaac - Kentucky
WHITE Robert - unknown
WILLIAMSON Hiram J. - Pennsylvania
WILLS William - unknown
WILSON Davis L. - Scotland
WILSON John - Pennsylvania
WOLFE Anthony - England
WRIGHT Claiborne - North Carolina
ZANCO Charles - Denmark
JOHN, black - unknown
JIMINES Damacio - Texas
 
I was just there.. Saw Crockett's rifle and Bowie's knife. Had they been sitting in a box blind waiting for the cornflinger to fling, they'd have probably avoided that fiasco.
 
I was just there.. Saw Crockett's rifle and Bowie's knife. Had they been sitting in a box blind waiting for the cornflinger to fling, they'd have probably avoided that fiasco.

Its fair chase Greenhorn, get over it.
Kind of like sitting at a hay stack or at a pond/river or accorn tree in Montana, isn't it?
 
In the spirit of getting off topic: there is an acorn shortage this year.

Up and down the East Coast, residents and naturalists alike have been scratching their heads this autumn over a simple question: Where are all the acorns?
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Some scientists fear a mysterious shortage
of acorns this fall in the eastern U.S. will
affect squirrels.


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Oak trees have shed their leaves, but the usual carpet of acorns is not crunching underfoot.

In far-flung pockets of northern Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and other states, scientists have found no acorns whatsoever.

"I can't think of any other year like this," said Alonso Abugattas, director of the Long Branch Nature Center in Arlington, Virginia.

Louise Garris, who lives in the Oakcrest neighborhood of Arlington, Virginia, first noticed the mysterious phenomenon early this fall when doing yardwork beneath a canopy of large oak trees.

"I have lived in the area my entire life and have never not seen any acorns!" she said. Garris checked with some local plant nurseries and they confirmed her observation.

The mystery has found its way to the Internet, where a "No acorns this year" discussion on Topix.com yielded more than 180 comments from people reporting acorn disappearances as far away as Connecticut and North Carolina.

"WHAT IS GOING ON?" posted a resident of Maplewood, New Jersey. "Now we are finding dead squirrels! SHOULD WE ALL BE CONCERNED?"

Not necessarily, naturalists say. Last year Garris reported a bumper crop of acorns, which scientists say may be one clue to this year's scarcity. Virginia extension agent Adam Downing said acorn production runs in cycles, so a lean year is normal after a year with a big crop.

"It fits with the physiology of seed reproduction. The trees are exhausted, energy wise, from last year," Downing said.

But even he is surprised at the complete absence of nuts in parts of Virginia.

"There are plenty of acorns in most of the state, but zero acorns in some pockets," he said.

Downing said recovery from last year's big crop, combined with a much wetter-than-usual spring, probably accounts for the acorn absence. Meteorologists say the Washington-Baltimore area saw about twice as much precipitation last May as normal.

Kate McNamee, who runs a Washington-area, volunteer tree-planting project called "Growing Native," lends specific numbers to the acorn shortage. Her group collects hardwood seeds and plants trees to protect rivers and streams in the Potomac River watershed.

"Last year we collected 25,000 pounds of seeds, most from a bumper crop of acorns," said McNamee. "This year we only collected 10,000 pounds, and 90 percent of that was walnuts."

Even though this acorn shortage has not risen to the level of a crisis, scientists say it is important to watch closely. If the shortage continues for several years, other forces might be at work.
Garris said her observations got her thinking about other recent environmental issues.

"I had read about the collapse of the bee colonies, and it made me wonder, is something else going on here? Could this be affecting other systems?"

At the Long Branch Nature Center, calls and e-mails have been pouring in from people who want to donate acorns they've gathered in areas where they are plentiful.

It's also hard to think of acorns without thinking about squirrels. What happens to them when their favorite food disappears? Some Eastern Seaboard residents have reported seeing skinny, aggressive squirrels devouring bird feed.

"Especially in the depths of winter, there's not much else for the squirrels to eat. Some may switch their diet, many others probably won't make it," said Abugattas. "Squirrel and deer numbers will almost certainly go down."

But Doug Inkley, senior scientist at the National Wildlife Federation, said that wild animals can be resilient when their usual food sources go away.
Inkley cited a blight that destroyed 3.5 billion American chestnuts from 1900-1940, wiping out a common food source for squirrels, deer, mice and wild turkeys. But those animals adapted and survived, he said.

Barbara Prescott, a wildlife rehabilitation expert, agreed that squirrels are not fussy about their diet. She suggested that residents leave whole (not crushed) corn, peanuts and sunflowers in the seed as backyard treats.

John Rohm, wildlife biologist for Prince William, Loudoun, Fairfax, and Arlington counties in northern Virginia, has faith in the furry population.

"Animals are resourceful," he said. "If they're hungry, they're gonna find something to eat."
 
I didn't realize so few Texans were at the Alamo...



ABAMILLO Juan - Texas,ESPALIER Carlos - Texas
ESPARZA Gregorio - Texas, FUENTES Antonio - Texas, GUERRERO Jose Maria - Texas, JIMINES Damacio - Texas

....CJ's roofing crew.
 
Texas wasn't Texas yet, they leased from Mexico back then. It became the Republic of Texas after Sam Houston defeated Santa Anna's army, he was a general from Mexico coming to stop the rebellion for independence from Mexico.

I'm no history expert, but I get some of it from living here. Most people here back then, were born somewhere else and moved here for the rich land, game, fishing, etc., anyway, some kind of opportunity they didn't have where they came from.
 
Texas wasn't Texas yet, they leased from Mexico back then. It became the Republic of Texas after Sam Houston defeated Santa Anna's army, he was a general from Mexico coming to stop the rebellion for independence from Mexico.

I'm no history expert, but I get some of it from living here. Most people here back then, were born somewhere else and moved here for the rich land, game, fishing, etc., anyway, some kind of opportunity they didn't have where they came from.
 
Somebody always has to do most of their work for them..and definately all their thinking...
 
Here's a story of the Texican (as they were called back then) victory at San Jacinto. That battle won independence for the Republic of Texas. Sam Houston was the first president and San Jacinto is near the city of Houston, on the outskirts anyway.

http://www.texfiles.com/ERAmar02/sanjacinto.htm

If you go to San Fernando Cathedral about 3 blocks from the Alamo, they supposedly have the bones/ashes from three leaders at the Alamo buried there. The church is where Santa Anna raised the red flag in his siege of the Alamo, i.e. started with 5000+ Mexican troops against the 136 at the Alamo. Santa Anna burned the heroes bodies and there's a big monument outside the Alamo there now at that sight, but some think they got the right ashes out of the fire and put them at San Fernando.
 
I didn't realize so few Texans were at the Alamo...


Matt, neither did they until the shooting started.:D


Most people here back then, were born somewhere else - Tom, thats the way most of the country was back then, wasn't it?:confused:
 
Not if your really 'from' Montana. Not sure when back then is? Best we can figure it was around 12,000 years ago.
 
Check out the Emily Morgan hotel downtown when you come here. She's a legend of the time Texas became a republic, 1836, which is a long time after 1492 and the Declaration of Independence back east, 1776. Lots of people were born and raised there prior to Texican settlers coming to Texas.

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Who Is Emily Morgan?
Six weeks after the battle at the Alamo in April of 1836, the Texans and Mexican armies moved their confrontation to a small prairie called San Jacinto. On April 21st, at siesta time, the Texas army led a charge against the Mexican camp. Mexican commander Santa Anna had posted no guards, and the Texans won the decisive battle in only 18 minutes.

According to folklore, the reason that Santa Anna did not respond quickly to the Texas Charge was that he was being entertained in his tent during siesta time by Emily Wells, a 20-year-old mulatto girl. Emily had come to Texas from New York the previous year as an indentured servant to Colonel James Morgan. William Bollaert, a British traveler who came to Texas in 1838, wrote in his journal in 1842, "The Battle of San Jacinto was probably lost to the Mexicans, owing to the influence of a mulatto girl belonging to Colonel Morgan, who was closeted in the tent with General Santana (sic), at the time cry was made, "The enemy! They come! They Come!" She delayed Santana so long that order could not be restored readily again."

Though it is undisputed that Santa Anna was careless, there is little evidence to support the legend that Emily Morgan was the key to Texas victory at San Jacinto and heroine of the Texas Revolution. She is widely believed, nevertheless, to be the inspiration for the well-known song, "The Yellow Rose of Texas." Its original lyrics, believed to have been written shortly after the war, were as follows:

There's a yellow rose in Texas
That I am going to see
No other darky (sic) knows her
No one only me
She cryed (sic) so when I left her
It like to broke my heart
And if I ever find her
We nevermore will part.
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She's kind of like Obama's birth certificate, folklore and legend, etc., eh?
 

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