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"What's happened to Fair Chase Hunting"

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This was Written By Glenn St. Charles

Hunting is under attack by animal rights folks. They would make us all vegetarians. The public is not going to buy their weird philosophy. But these people have managed to get the attention of the non-hunters_The Voters_ enough to eliminate spring bear hunting in some states We anguish, we wring our hands and cry for somebody to do something. The "stuff it down your throat" and the " don't let them get their foot in the door" advocates cry: "They can't do this to us!" The fact is, anti- hunters already have their foot in the door and we aren't stuffing it down anyone's throat. Why? In my view, we hunters don't have to look any further than our own mirrors. We are the problem. We don't look or act like we belong out there anymore.

In the old days, we looked like people, acted like people, and smelled like people. Hunting was accepted- a heritage handed down from ancestors, an age-old thing: low profile. Today, through what we called progress, hunting has become high profile. Hunting has been brought into our living rooms via television. Any Sunday morning you can turn on your TV and see a program put on by equipment manufacturers showing camo clad, face masked fellows in tree stands, looking over unsuspecting animals foraging on the ground below. sure, this sells merchandise, but at the same time, it sells us hunters short. We don't look like the sportsman we have portrayed ourselves to be. These scenarios portray us as killers-the gangster look of camo, paramilitary, the look of violence in the streets.

The more observing viewers may ask, where does the hunting come in? hunting by definition is the pursuit of animals in their native haunts. Sitting on your butt in a treestand over a bear with his head in a barrel full of pastries doesn't exactly look like fair chase or good sportsmanship. we can't gain the support of the voters with that kind of behavior. In my view, the voting public does not mind that we hunt animals, they relate that to our ancestral roots. It's how we hunt that has created the problem.

Progress is supposed to be good for civilization. However, I question its value as it relates to the natural environment and hunting. Through the years, without really noticing, we have gone from hunting defined by "a walk in the woods" in pursuit of animals to accepting, under the heading of "progress," every conceivable gadget and method that the shooting sports industry can devise to kill animals faster and farther. What we have done is redefine the word hunting to compromise our sport by accommodating all of the new stuff on the market. Not because we need it, but because an industry says we do. It's time Hunters take back their sport and do what they have to do to save it. If we don't buy the stuff we don't need, the industry won't make it.

In terms of "progress," bow hunting has advanced perhaps the most. bowhunters have practically reinvented the gun. taking all factors into consideration, the range, the velocity, and the percent of animal harvest, the high tech bow has altered the level of bowhunting to that of an entirely different sport, as compared to the longbow and recurve. If bowhunting equipment shoots like a rifle and harvests animals like a rifle, at some point state game and fish departments may have no choice but to invite the high tech compound shooters to hunt with the rifle hunters and leave the bow seasons to traditional shooters.

There are those that are constantly preaching science into hunting, that we must worry about every detail. when the overdraw on a compound was perfected, short fast arrows were the way to go. time after time in our archery shop, we would have bow hunters come in specifically to get their arrows shortened " last year i passed on an 80-yard shot, not this year!"

It's time to get back to common sense. Hunting should be kept simple and low profile. there aren't enough spokesman to elect anyone to public office or win referendum or initiatives presented to our state legislators without outside help. We need the votes of the public, the non-hunters. Likewise, the anti hunting people find they can do nothing without the same outside help. we are in competition for the votes of those who can make or break us. It's unthinkable for us to give up anything, but the point is, we already have lost some and we will lose more if we don't start an offense instead of relying on defense only.

It will take a grass-roots effort from all user groups to win this battle. We need to focus on the survival of hunting. lets not spend too much energy, time and money trying to save the things we don't need. As a start, Lets change our add-on methods and add on equipment to turn back the clock and present an acceptable look to those who can help us win this battle. Let's show them once again that hunting is our priority rather than killing.

If the camo folks join us, they can make hunting clothes in a softer, kinder look. let them put their fabrics to use in fall colors without the camo pattern.

Tree stands help fill the freezer, put trophies on the wall, and bear rugs on the floor, but what do they do for the true meaning of hunting? and we don't need baiting if fair chase is to be a factor. Just because the fish and game department says its OK, doesn't mean its fair chase.

I have no illusions that this dissertation will make much sense to all of you. This is my assessment of our situation. Perhaps a thread or two will catch on and take shape. What about the hunters out there who don't belong to any conservation or hunting organization-those who don't have a clue as to whats going on and furthermore dont want to hear about it? Let's continue to provide for our future. Support organizations that can buy, beg or steal wildlife habitat even if it means nothing more than keep it out of the hands of those who would pave the Earth.


Glenn St. Charles' interest in bow hunting stretches back to 1928, when he shot nail-tipped arrows at sand sharks in Washington's Puget Sound, using a hazelnut stick strung with meat wrapped twine for a bow. Not long afterword, he was making and selling whalebone backed yew bows, competing in field archery competitions and hunting elk, deer and other wildlife. In 1961, he founded the Pope and Young Club from his home in Seattle, and served as president of the club from 1967-1972. His dedication to promoting and defending bowhunting earned him the first Ishi Award in 1991, the Pope and Young Club's highest honor for service.
 
I just went in and properly spaced Glen's column, making it easier to read. Copy and paste doesn't always work that well.
 
ya man, i typed that out of my guide study book, because i thought it was inspirational. Was thinkin some people, like me who've never heard of him before, would appreciate the reference.
 
He was one of the Founders of the Pope and Young Club. A critical thinker and well respected for his views on hunting. His writings have been an inspiration for many.

I just finished reading my most recent copy of of the P&Y magazine this evening. Always some good stuff in that magazine and in the B&C Fair Chase magazine.
 
Although Glenn is right that bows are easier to shoot, and nimrods believe they can make routine shots out to 100 yards. He missed the mark when he says that bows now shoot like rifles. Those modern firearms are now routinely made so you can purchase them right from the factory already sighted in and shoot at game out to 1200 yards.

We have lost our way. There's no doubt about that. It's no more about woodsman ship skills, it's about shooting Long Range.

Look how many guys from right here on "Hunt Talk" have brand new guns made up that are capable of killing effectively out to 3/4 of a mile. Same guy is usually good to go with his 50 yard bow, but then turns to excalibur when it comes to rifle hunting. Where will it end?


"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US":W:
 
Thanks Big Fin, ill have to get a subscription to those!
Mr Charles was right, and he said this how long ago?? We need to find action to influence those who don't feel compelled to participate in being the voice of our sport! And " perhaps a thread or two will catch on and take shape!"
 
The point that animal rights people and hunters compete for the non hunter vote is a good one.

For me the key concept the population seems to accept is that hunting is for food, it was that in the old days, its still that today. Giving up modern methods or saying we don't need this or that misses that point.

Hunting is to meat food as gardening is to vegetable food, a way to do it on your own and appreciate the satisfaction of that.

Lots of the public objects to taking pleasure in the sport of killing animals. We shouldn't emphasize the sport of it, we should emphasize the food we get from hunting and the personal satisfaction of getting that food through a lot of our own efforts. Much like gardening, but not vegetables, hunting is for meat.

That's the offense that I like.
 
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US"

So true. ... and Tom, I agree "Hunting is to meat food as gardening is to vegetable food" is much more acceptable to the non-hunting public which is the vast majority than all the hype and emphasis on "horn porn" and killing for bragging rights.
 
A good buck or bull is like a great tomato, if they accept the first part, really sought after and cherished by those who work to obtain them. That is, there is satisfaction in a good hunt for cherished meat, just like in good gardening for some good fresh vegetables.
 
Oh my my.

All of this holier-than-thou blather by an individual who would intentionally try to wound one of the most docile of sharks with sub standard equipment (see St. Charles bio from end of original post). And to what end? Was he eating them? I liken that sort of act to some kid trying to shoot at elk or deer 300 yards away with a .22 lr. Not someone that I will take ethics lessons from.

I began bowhunting in the 70s, started with recurves, and still shoot recurves and cedar arrows. Never have owned or hunted with a compound.
For rifles, I have way too many of all styles,but my favorites for hunting have always been my sidelock muzzleloaders. Shooting black and lead.
I usually hunt in Carharts or plaid wool, (always with orange) But I am not afraid of people who wear camo. Some of them are even nice!
All "true hunters" have the same goal at day's end. It involves letting the blood out of some quarry. How it gets done should be the personal choice of the individual.
Treestands, give me a break, I dare someone to tell my 12 year old, boy who chose his tree and had me help him hang his stand along the Mussleshell, then killed his doe with the first arrow that he ever loosed at a deer that his hunt was tarnished? (He was shooting cedar shafts and a 40 year old recurve of mine, but that stand and safety belt queered the deal I suppose.)
How dare we stand in judgement of one another's "quality of experience" I have long seen this kind of ugliness in the bowhunting community and now it is flowing over to the rifle hunting crowd. It is never good.
 
I agree with the assertion that
Hunting should be kept simple and low profile
. Living in the heart of the liberal belt, I am outnumbered, and outvoted.

I think part of the OYOA appeal is the lack of treestands and baiting. It doesn't sell well to the non-hunting public when the perception is they spent 15 minutes in a tree in relative comfort. We know that is usually not the case. Unfortunately the non hunting viewer does not. It is a perception problem. I don't have an answer.

We will continue to see our hunting privileges (not rights) continually limited until the public perceives what we do (kill animals) to be a noble thing. Any lack of the sense of nobility in what we do will be viewed in a negative light by the non-hunter, I'm afraid. OYOA is one of the few shows that portrays hunting in a NOBLE fashion.
 
I think part of the OYOA appeal is the lack of treestands and baiting. It doesn't sell well to the non-hunting public when the perception is they spent 15 minutes in a tree in relative comfort. We know that is usually not the case. Unfortunately the non hunting viewer does not. It is a perception problem. I don't have an answer.

Agreed! No matter what we do as individuals, pursuing our own quarry in our own way, and putting in our best endeavor, whether it be day after day in bad weather in a treestand, or chasing down a bighorn ram in some of the steepest country inhabitable, the people who live in box style neighborhoods and never experience the wild outdoors will only see whats put in front of them!

Twodot, I believe the point in his shark hunting is using the stuff homemade by a kid who was being raised in the early 1900's, the simple things. Not so much the method, and morality, don't we all do at least one or two things that is wrong instead of right? It's what we learn! :) I'd personally love to be able to make a kill with a traditional bow, but I was raised by an anti-hunting father who loved to hike, and learned my hunting from my ex-marine of a brother, so i've never been handed the chance, or had the guts to do it myself. We, as indiviuals, taking steps to improve our influence on future outdoorsman, will help!
 
Agreed! No matter what we do as individuals, pursuing our own quarry in our own way, and putting in our best endeavor, whether it be day after day in bad weather in a treestand, or chasing down a bighorn ram in some of the steepest country inhabitable, the people who live in box style neighborhoods and never experience the wild outdoors will only see whats put in front of them!

Twodot, I believe the point in his shark hunting is using the stuff homemade by a kid who was being raised in the early 1900's, the simple things. Not so much the method, and morality, don't we all do at least one or two things that is wrong instead of right? It's what we learn! :) I'd personally love to be able to make a kill with a traditional bow, but I was raised by an anti-hunting father who loved to hike, and learned my hunting from my ex-marine of a brother, so i've never been handed the chance, or had the guts to do it myself. We, as indiviuals, taking steps to improve our influence on future outdoorsman, will help!

What the hell does the location and the style of a person's house have to do with them being a fair chase hunter, or, even understanding being a "TRUE HUNTER"?

I live in a Trailer Park, and I am more of a "true hunter" than some guy who goes around randomly killing sharks just to satisfy some sort of bloodlust.

Maybe you just started out on a wrong foot, but you seem kinda preachy....
 
Maybe you just started out on a wrong foot, but you seem kinda preachy....
Jose, Did you just say he was Preachy? ROFLMAO OK, you made my day with that one Buddy! John;)
 
Wow. While I like the spirit of Glenn St. Charles note, I think it contributes to the very problem we have today as hunters (and some of his points are just way off base). We spend as much, if not mroe, time bickering amongst ourselves around what makes a true hunter or true hunting experience as we do advancing our platform as the sporting public. I think everyone hunts for a different reason, and while they are usually not that dissimilar, they aren't all the same.

First off, while yes equipment has improved, to insinuate that advances in bow technology are so great that they have now put the bowhunter on par with the average rifle hunter is just absurd. It makes it sound like it's not true bowhunting if you aren't sneaking up and killing your animal within 10 yards. I think it's presumptuous to say that the equipment one uses or the distance that one shoots game at is what makes a true hunting experience.

I also don't understand the comment around treestand hunting or hunting over bait. I hunt in some thick, nasty, steep country for bears in Idaho. It would be near impossible to quietly sneak up on a bear in that country and get a shot off, especially with a bow. Having just shot a bear over bait out of a treestand I can tell you it was one of the most exciting hunting experiences I've ever had. I don't like treestands. It's my least favorite way to hunt. But that hunt satisfied me in ways I want every hunt to.

I don't hunt primarily for meat or to kill an animal (if I did, I would have quit long ago because I'd be terrible if that was the yardstick I measured my hunting experience by). I hunt for the camp experience, the nostalgia, the feeling that I'm continuing on a tradition that began thousands and thousands of years ago, that incredible feeling of finding yourself in a wild place and thinking that someone else did this well before me and found the same fulfillment in sitting around a campfire with good company and thoughts of encounters with wild animals in wild places. I hunt for that hope that I'll get a chance to take part in this ancient ritual of man killing beast -- but there's so much more to that ritual than just the killing. It's about outsmarting an animals who's senses are far superior than anything you have. It's about that heartbeat that comes when animal is in range and you are ready to pull the trigger.

That happens whether you are hunting with a rifle or a bow, whether it's at 10 yards or 1000. Sure, some of the elements are different from hunt to hunt or hunting style to hunting style, but most of them are there and are so similar under any condition. Stop bickering and saying my hunting experience is truer than yours or you aren't a true hunter. Instead, join organizations like RMEF, Ducks Unlimited, P&Y, B&C and contribute more towards the American Conservation Model with your time and money. Let people know that hunters contribute more to wildlife habitat and conservation than any of these anti-hunters do. Let them know you're proud to be a hunter and all that you DO for wild animals and wild places.

I'll get off my soapbox now haha
 
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