US and Israel attack Iran

[406dn]

How and why does Isreal have so much sway on America???

I'll take a stab at this.

I think much of it stems from the aftermath of the Holocaust. I doubt there is a country of Israel, absent it.

After the creation of Israel, the free world was protective of the fledgling country. Certainly in the US they had near universal bipartisan support, for many decades.

It is a political third rail to openly criticize Israel. Netanyahu has taken great liberties with this reality. He has done many things that put the US in a tough spot.

We will never know how much of this war is our initiative and how much is Israel's. Certainly, Israel has more directly at stake than we do. I think Netanyahu has been trying to convince the US to take out Iran for many years. It seems he found his man.

There are fissures in the universal bipartisan support. This war will likely cause them to open further.

 

[Hem]

Think New York banks, and connect the dots.

 

[Rainer]

Mossad probably also has dirt on everyone.

 

[Treeshark]

Hesitant to even wade into this, but the Book of Deuteronomy plays a large role into how many Americans view Israel as well.

 

[Wildabeest]

Hesitant to even wade into this, but the Book of Deuteronomy plays a large role into how many Americans view Israel as well.

Interesting how anything negative about Israel is labeled “anti-Semitic”. They’ve really played that up with any and all backlash on what they’ve done in Gaza. If you don’t agree with what they are doing, then you’re “anti-Semitic”. That’s total BS.

 

[Bigjay73]

If Harris had won, Dems would be in full support of action in Iran and conservatives would be against it. We don't think with our hearts, we think with our hate.

 

[Nick87]

we think with our hate.

Nothing brings people together like hate does. Maybe thats too harsh of a word for some. Either way nothing brings people together like strong dislike.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

That makes sense. Who lived in the ivory tower prior to us?

Over half a percent of the world's male population has a little Genghis in em. Something like 1 in every 200.

 

[grizzly63]

Israel was once the terrorist. Since they became a country, they have had to defend themselves very often. Many times using our armaments that they have heavily modified to improve upon. At he heart of most of this is the religion. People have been killing each other over beliefs since the dawn of time. The one thing our founding fathers figured out was "separation of church and state". Many countries are founded on their religion and it us good to die for Allah. That is a real problem when it comes to Nuclear weapons. We are the only country so far that has used them and not so much in a defensive motion but more in an economical sense. Less death on our side and a faster conclusion to the war. The religious zealots would use them very soon after they had one available with all kinds of volunteers available. Remember when France sold the Iraqis a nuclear plant and then Israel took it out before completion. Probably a good thing for the world. One of the problems of the USSR falling apart was all the nuclear scientist looking for work. The genie cannot be put back in the bottle. We need to do everything we can to prevent the end of the world even if a comet or asteroid might shortcut us. Most of us have children and grandchildren.
If the people of Iran cannot take over their country and form some type of coalition govt soon, there is going to a bloodbath for all the ones that tried. Trump is not going to deploy ground troops to Iran in any measurable quantities. He doesn't have the fortitude for it and the American people do not have the stomach for it. If the Russians and the Americans couldn't tame the Afghanis, we certainly would not stand a chance in Iran. It is scary to see that the Afghanis and Pakis have started a war, one being a nuclear armed group. That is a scary thought. Done rambling now.

 

[grizzly63]

I am planning on archery and shotgun turkey hunting next month and maybe elk in the fall. Dang hard to get tags in SD. Maybe I can win that BOW raffle. Deer is definitely in the works for this fall. Not enough patience for fishing - yet.

 

[EKYHunter]

Money is the root of all evil. Pretty consistently.

Actually, I Timothy 6:10 says that the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.

 

[Redmt]

Actually, I Timothy 6:10 says that the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.

Is there a reciprocal saying?

 

[Labman]

I guess the powers that be censor realities they are blind to or don’t agree with. No private message, no discussion. Pathetic.

No apology will be offered to the radical Islamic supporters I offended.

 

[Jorgy]

Can you quote a source or two ?

Www.trackaipac.com

That good enough?

 

[EKYHunter]

Is there a reciprocal saying?

Sorry, not sure what you’re asking.

 

[Lostinthewoods]

I guess the powers that be censor realities they are blind to or don’t agree with. No private message, no discussion. Pathetic.

I’ll bite.

Hey all, let’s give Labman his few minutes of fame before I torch him. Because obviously it’s real hard for some people.

Randy’s post (#117) was pretty telling on what we both knew was coming.



So now let’s talk about our good ol friend Labman here.

Post #66 deleted.
Posts a stupid meme referring to killing a United States Representative.
I don’t care what side of the you’re on, we are going to be posting murder jokes on this page.
I’ve deleted this stuff for “both sides” and this will not be tolerated.


Post #150
He decides he wanted to come at buzz with an unprovoked and unnecessary comment towards him that was beyond what’s needed here.

Also mentioned that it will not be tolerated here.

 

[Gerald Martin]

Is there a reciprocal saying?

From the same passage of 1 Tim 6. “Godliness with contentment is great gain….

The concept that the love of money is the root of many and diverse evils is given the greater context that men’s actions that are motivated by desire for wealth and material possessions cause incredible harm to themselves and those affected by their actions when they prioritize wealth over the good of others.

That concept is often misunderstood as placing the focus on the material (money) as evil rather than placing correct emphasis that the focus is ultimately that misplaced values cause great harm.

 

[Gerald Martin]

@Lostinthewoods , I was just happy that you cleaned up the first version that was locked and let the conversation continue.

As Randy explicitly stated earlier in the thread he’s deligating responsibility to you for keeping it civil.

 

[Nameless Range]

I’ll tie this to hunting and fishing and trapping. This is easily the most corrupt and indecent administration of my lifetime - and by far.

Their hypocrisy embarrasses that of the previous administrations. I can come up with dozens of these examples for each of these individuals, on the topic of this OP alone…





So how does this relate to this forum? You can’t believe a damn thing these people say. If Trump has said something about public lands, and I believe he has said we should “keep them great”, you can ignore that. He pushed an unredacted big beautiful bill that would’ve opened the door to selling millions of acres. He’s put foxes in charge of the henhouse. As is always the case with politicians, ignore what they say and look at what they do. I think we will have to be vigilant as hell for the remainder of this administration when it comes to where we hunt, fish, and trap. In part because none of these people understand our way of life, and in part because there’s a large chunk of the American population to whom their hypocrisy is admirable or at least invisible.