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[mdhunter]

Can everyone please just go hunt? Jeeezzz, enough already.

Some people are happy and some are sad. Nothing is going to change but the time.

 

[Nemont]

Easy for you to say I am working on Veterans day for the first time in 21 years. Who ever made open enrollment during hunting season sure didn't think very far ahead. Thanks Obama


Nemont

 

[James Riley]

I have a beautiful river running through my place. I went down to enjoy it yesterday. While there I slipped on a rock, fell, cracked my head on a boulder and dislocated my right hand “bird” finger. Luckily for me (others not so much) I did not conk out and drown; and I reset my finger.

I've decided to start feeling more and thinking less, and I've decided to quit flipping people off. These are the types of lessons I take from Nature. I'm sure she tried more subtle messages to the same end, but I rarely “get” those at the time they are delivered. Thus, She has to turn up the volume.

Just thought I'd share.

Peace, out.

Oh, P.S., for those of you who are concerned, the boulder is fine. It's still on it's way to the Gulf of Mexico, ETA a long time from now.

 

[RobG]

This is right on. Eliminating the electoral college would shift political power to the big cities. I would bet that large numbers of the people in them would only look to public land as a source of revenue to support a life stile much different than we on this forum. Eliminating the electoral college may help elect democrats in the short term but likely would effect public land negatively long term.

No it wouldn't. The election wasn't decided differently because Montana had 0.2% more sway per capita (or whatever the difference was). It was decided because all of the votes in a couple key bigger states went to one side. I got the big boy pants on and am not complaining about the outcome, but the EC isn't doing what it was supposed to do.

 

[Irrelevant]

Did giving women the right to vote or American Indians or freeing the slave fundamentally change the way we elect our presidents? Would you be singing a different tune if the results were reversed and Hillary carried the EC and Trump won the popular? Also how would your vote count more or less if it went to a popular election? There are still precincts counting votes right now today imagine the chaos of a very tight election and the counting went on for weeks? Remember Gore V. Bush in 2000, multiply that by 50 states.

You tried to make the case that because that's the way it's always been then it should be maintained. I call BS. I absolutely would not be singing a different tune if HC got elected. I didn't vote for her. But the idea that in the last five elections two of them have not reflected the will of the people is troubling. The idea that I have the responsibility to directly elect my congressmen, but not the president is simply absurd.

 

[mdhunter]

In Maryland the deer are rutting, the ducks are flying, and the rockfish are schooled up in the bay. Regardless of your political beliefs you should be able to have a good day on Saturday.

 

[MTGomer]

The deer are rutting in South Central Montana but its hotter than a Saudi Prince after Hillary's loss. I went out yesterday. I hiked 2 hours in the dark, wearing a tee-shirt and had all the pockets and vents on my pants open.

You should not be able to hike long before sun up in mid november in the Beartooth in a Tee-shirt.

 

[Idahoarcheryhunter]

The deer are rutting in South Central Montana but its hotter than a Saudi Prince after Hillary's loss. I went out yesterday. I hiked 2 hours in the dark, wearing a tee-shirt and had all the pockets and vents on my pants open.

You should not be able to hike long before sun up in mid november in the Beartooth in a Tee-shirt.

Same here in Idaho, bucks are moving but I'm in a t shirt by 9 am damn global warming.... Thanks Obama

 

[mtmuley]

The mountains are great therapy. mtmuley

 

[LuketheDog]

No it wouldn't. The election wasn't decided differently because Montana had 0.2% more sway per capita (or whatever the difference was). It was decided because all of the votes in a couple key bigger states went to one side. I got the big boy pants on and am not complaining about the outcome, but the EC isn't doing what it was supposed to do.

Come on, go back to high school and pay attention! The Electoral College is doing EXACTLY what it is supposed to do and preserving our republic. The founders of this GREAT country were wise far beyond their years, checks and balances work. How come every time the Democrats lose they decry the 'old-fashioned' electoral college, but when they win two in a row there is no problem with it?

 

[Gr8bawana]

Come on, go back to high school and pay attention! The Electoral College is doing EXACTLY what it is supposed to do and preserving our republic. The founders of this GREAT country were wise far beyond their years, checks and balances work. How come every time the Democrats lose they decry the 'old-fashioned' electoral college, but when they win two in a row there is no problem with it?

Really? The republicans didn't cry?
You didn't see the leaders of the Democratic Party come out and say they would do everything possible to make sure the new President fails like the republcans did after Obama was elected.

 

[katqanna]

Saw this article yesterday, which was interesting considering how many Republicans, especially connected with military and security, publicly came out against Trump. I wondered how they were going to deal with this situation.

‘Prediction professor’ who called Trump’s big win also made another forecast: Trump will be impeached

At the end of our September conversation, Lichtman made another call: that if elected, Trump would eventually be impeached by a Republican Congress that would prefer a President Mike Pence — someone whom establishment Republicans know and trust.

“I'm going to make another prediction,” he said. “This one is not based on a system; it's just my gut. They don't want Trump as president, because they can't control him. He's unpredictable. They'd love to have Pence — an absolutely down-the-line, conservative, controllable Republican. And I'm quite certain Trump will give someone grounds for impeachment, either by doing something that endangers national security or because it helps his pocketbook.”

 

[noharleyyet]

C&P for posterity..

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442109/bill-hillary-clinton-goodbye

 

[katqanna]

An interesting aspect of the Electoral College was just in an article about its relevance in this modern age.

Professor Akhil Reed Amar, the Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale University and a specialist in constitutional law, stated it wasn't about population specifically, but slave populations that could not vote, more about protecting slavery interests, which I knew were already being addressed in the Colonies before the Union was established. Part of the reason why George Washington granted freedom to his slaves in his will, but not when he was alive. The Civil War of the late 1800's was not a matter of "if", but rather "when", as the seeds of this division were already being sown at the formation of the United States.

Thomas Paine, a prolific writer for the Revolution and the establishment of our government (I have enjoyed Paine's writings, having many volumes, sadly my oldest daughter ran off with all his books when she moved out, being infatuated with them herself), considered a founding father, wrote an essay to Americans, African Slavery in America, in 1774, published in March 1775, addressing this subject. In 1795 Paine wrote, "The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which other rights are protected. To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery, for slavery consists in being subject to the will of another, and he that has not a vote in the election of representatives is in this case (Dissertation on First Principles of Government)."

Then, "In 1806, when Thomas Paine walked into his New Rochelle polling station to cast his vote for the congressional election, he was turned away, denied the ballot. The Tory election inspectors asserted that he was not an American and that he had been renounced by George Washington. He told them they were wrong on both counts, but one of the inspectors threatened to have him arrested, and Paine left without voting. He pursued the matter in court and lost. He had no right to vote in the nation that now counts him one of its Founders." Tragic this sh*t is still continuing to this day to suppress voting.

Professor Akhil Reed Amar recently expounded on the Electoral College existing to protect slavery interests.

So what's the real answer? In my view, it's slavery. In a direct election system, the South would have lost every time because a huge percentage of its population was slaves, and slaves couldn't vote. But an Electoral College allows states to count slaves, albeit at a discount (the three-fifths clause), and that's what gave the South the inside track in presidential elections. And thus it's no surprise that eight of the first nine presidents come from Virginia (the most populous state at the time).

This pro-slavery compromise was not clear to everyone when the Constitution was adopted, but it was clearly evident to everyone when the Electoral College was amended after the Jefferson-Adams contest of 1796 and 1800. These elections were decided, in large part, by the extra electoral votes created by slavery. Without the 13 extra electoral votes created by Southern slavery, John Adams would've won even in 1800, and every federalist knows that after the election.

And yet when the Constitution is amended, the slavery bias is preserved.

 

[BigHornRam]

Really? The republicans didn't cry?
You didn't see the leaders of the Democratic Party come out and say they would do everything possible to make sure the new President fails like the republcans did after Obama was elected.

You must have missed Harry Reid's toxic comments.

Joe gets it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/joe-manchin-harry-reid-donald-trump-231276

 

[Washington Hunter]

In that she lost, yes. But the data suggests that it is not a mandate for Trump, and the votes show that the majority of Americans still voted for her.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread since I was gone hunting the last few days, but I just have to say Noharley is right, Trump's win WAS impressive, and don't try to say Hillary got more votes, because many of her votes are fraudulent and shouldn't even count.

She got many votes from people who are not even citizens of this country. She got votes from felons who were given the right to vote just days before the election. And surely, she got many, many votes from people who are dead. Yep, that's how the Democrats roll.

 

[Oneye]

Steve Bannon....really? I don't care if you are a major Trump supporter, it's despicable and is already showing me I won't stand by where Trump is going if Steve Bannon is a major part of his team. Obama went to far left, if Trump try's to run even harder right, he will lose in 4 years to an even bigger liberal progressive than Obama or Hillary Clinton. Thats not where the country is, and Trumps presidency could destroy conservatism and the Republican Party if he starts propping up discussing people like Steve Bannon.

 

[Big Sky Dreamin]

Fresh news from DC, looks like there will be no change after all.

Trump's new Cheif of Staff, Reince Prebus. Pence running the transition team. Bolton,Gingrich, Giuliani, and Palin mentioned for positions. About the only change, several oil execs mentioned for positions effecting public lands from EPA to Interior.

Drain the swamp is starting to look more like dredge the swamp to fill the cabinet.

 

[Oneye]

There's be your first signs of change America, his first appointees are a conspiracy theorist who is a disgusting person and the other top advisor is a spineless politician. Looks like some great changes to me too.

 

[noharleyyet]

Steve Bannon....really? I don't care if you are a major Trump supporter, it's despicable and is already showing me I won't stand by where Trump is going if Steve Bannon is a major part of his team. Obama went to far left, if Trump try's to run even harder right, he will lose in 4 years to an even bigger liberal progressive than Obama or Hillary Clinton. Thats not where the country is, and Trumps presidency could destroy conservatism and the Republican Party if he starts propping up discussing people like Steve Bannon.

Trumps first choice was Michael Richards who turned him down to focus on his new career as a staff writer for Mother Jones.