Possibly. I suppose we all have our own trigger pull.
Still wondering to who or what I am a blind, short-sided loyalist to.
Your level of outrage and hyperbole is not up to par for the forum ragers. Its one thing to be concerned and keep your eye on something like a few on here do and another to blow it completely out of proportion and turn it into something that fits your rage guage. There is alot of rage guages on here that need fuel. Cant wait for this term to be over so they all go back into hibernation.
What’s the point of me stating it? Just so you can deny it and set me straight? It’s super clear to me from the cumulative of all your posts which I have read to this point that you think this admin can do no wrong. The PM function works if you want to have a personal conversation.
I guess you’re into politics more than hunting. If one road gets opened that costs someone a future bull elk, that’s something to be ticked off about as a hunter imo. The thought of an ohv rolling through one of my hunts which happens enough as is makes my blood boil. I could care less which color admin takes the step
I'll try to step it up.
With each hibernation comes another awakening. We hate the machine when it doesn't align with our views. We feed it when it does.
Conjecture: refers to an opinion, theory, or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete or uncertain evidence. It is essentially an educated guess or speculation
Foresight: the ability to predict or the action of predicting what will happen or be needed in the future
I suppose it is speculating until it happens.
Thing is we agree. I just dont think putting the cart before the horse is always warranted. Humans tend to have terrible foresight when its driven by emotion.
You do you. I have questions that I just don't know the answer to at this point before I could make an informed decision. Perhaps you already know the answers to these and other questions.
What are we "restoring" them to? I think we have an idealized view of what a wilderness looks like and how effective we are at "manage" it. If there are no roads, it probably looks like ti should, even if we don't like it.
Please point me to an urban-wild land interface that doesn't have a road.
You have to get creative with math regardless, but the main question is what is being "defended"?
Legit question. Again though, I haven't seen anyone making an argument to get rid of one road in place of another. When I see that being done at scale with positive benefits, I will be the first to retract my criticism.
Fair question. One I would like to see answered before I cast a vote. I am assuming planting trees is the goal but dont know
I think that was the same question I asked. Would like to know where this is needed.
In the last 14 years on two separate occasions I have had BLM fire fighters ask me to use my equipment to cut a road for them to be able to access a current range fire. On both occasions I asked for them to provide, in writing, authorization for me to do so as the road requested was not on my permit or on land that I have surface rights to. Once I had that I would gladly help them out at no cost to the taxpayer. On both occasions they did not respond. Maybe that's the type of stuff they are talking about, the red tape required to be cut before sensible things can happen. I don't know.
Agree with the high bar. But like the bill states NEPA is still required. Given that NEPA and other environmental regulations are still in place I am not certain that simply removing the roadless rule means that timber, mining and O&G can just start building roads. The bill states the reasons a road could be ordered built and not one of those reasons is to mine. Now, will the bill be followed as written, amended or is it even needed are all fair questions. Currently I am happy with no new roads so if the bill goes nowhere I will be perfectly happy.
Well, we certainly can't have them doing what they are supposed to do with National Forests.
My response was simply sarcasm. There is no place that can be called an urban-wilderness interface that doesn't have a road. The Urban part of the label makes this pretty clear. In most of these roadless places roads don't exist because they are expensive to create or can't be built. In a few areas, old logging roads have grown over. I'd be ok with re-cutting the road and logging them again but only with a proper review. This process was already in place. The obstacle to the approvals is still in place, so I expect lawyers to benefit from this.
Has not been my experience. Here is the EIS I was involved in that was approved under this Admin. Take a look, let me know what the joke is. What reviews have you been involved with that were a joke?
Maybe not faith but you definitely approach this Admin with the view that they are out to F you. I do not. I didn't start out the Biden admin with that view but by the end I got there. At that point nothing was going to change my mind. You sound like you are at the same point with this one. That's what made voting for Trump for the first time such an easy choice for me.
When did you start the review? Was it approved? Are you sure anyone read it?
