Trump Rescinds Ban on OHV use on Public Lands

[WyoCoalMiner]

I think it may be fair, given the track record of the current admin and those put in positions of power in this admin, to say that we're already on the slippery slope, and every little EO and decision, which each in and of itself may indeed be fairly insignificant, are all adding to the speed on that slope. At least, in regards to the threats to public lands and wildlife.

There is certainly rarely good reason for hyperbolic outrage, but there is also great risk in shrugging off each little thing as no big deal, then you wake up one day and wonder what the hell happened.

Possibly. I suppose we all have our own trigger pull.

Found it funny how my tipping point not being identical to another HT'er got me labeled a blind, short-sided, loyalist. This forum constantly preaches stop voting for a team and vote for positions. One opinion that this EO isn't the end to ATV restrictions and I'm fully on team Trump. Interesting.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

By the time you will grab your pitch fork coalminer it will be far too late. Thank goodness for proactive guys like Big Fin and Buzz who don’t have their heads buried into the coalbanks like you, who see this for what it is. I know you know the wheels of govt turn slow and once that snowball starts rolling down hill there’s no stopping it. That’s a fact. Seen it a thousand times and that’s one thing about govt that’s not going to change.

Still wondering to who or what I am a blind, short-sided loyalist to.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Still wondering to who or what I am a blind, short-sided loyalist to.

Your level of outrage and hyperbole is not up to par for the forum ragers. Its one thing to be concerned and keep your eye on something like a few on here do and another to blow it completely out of proportion and turn it into something that fits your rage guage. There is alot of rage guages on here that need fuel. Cant wait for this term to be over so they all go back into hibernation.

 

[TOGIE]

Found it funny how my tipping point not being identical to another HT'er got me labeled a blind, short-sided, loyalist. This forum constantly preaches stop voting for a team and vote for positions. One opinion that this EO isn't the end to ATV restrictions and I'm fully on team Trump. Interesting.

Well, let's keep the record clear that I never said that.

 

[rogerthat]

Still wondering to who or what I am a blind, short-sided loyalist to.

What’s the point of me stating it? Just so you can deny it and set me straight? It’s super clear to me from the cumulative of all your posts which I have read to this point that you think this admin can do no wrong. The PM function works if you want to have a personal conversation.

 

[rogerthat]

Your level of outrage and hyperbole is not up to par for the forum ragers. Its one thing to be concerned and keep your eye on something like a few on here do and another to blow it completely out of proportion and turn it into something that fits your rage guage. There is alot of rage guages on here that need fuel. Cant wait for this term to be over so they all go back into hibernation.

I guess you’re into politics more than hunting. If one road gets opened that costs someone a future bull elk, that’s something to be ticked off about as a hunter imo. The thought of an ohv rolling through one of my hunts which happens enough as is makes my blood boil. I could care less which color admin takes the step

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

Your level of outrage and hyperbole is not up to par for the forum ragers.

I'll try to step it up.

Its one thing to be concerned and keep your eye on something like a few on here do and another to blow it completely out of proportion and turn it into something that fits your rage guage. There is alot of rage guages on here that need fuel. Cant wait for this term to be over so they all go back into hibernation.

With each hibernation comes another awakening. We hate the machine when it doesn't align with our views. We feed it when it does.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

I guess you’re into politics more than hunting. If one road gets opened that costs someone a future bull elk, that’s something to be ticked off about as a hunter imo

Conjecture: refers to an opinion, theory, or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete or uncertain evidence. It is essentially an educated guess or speculation

 

[rogerthat]

Conjecture: refers to an opinion, theory, or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete or uncertain evidence. It is essentially an educated guess or speculation

Foresight: the ability to predict or the action of predicting what will happen or be needed in the future

This convo has been enlightening to me and shows why imo Chief gave you a beat down. Still my all time favorite thread.

We will just agree to disagree.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Conjecture: refers to an opinion, theory, or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete or uncertain evidence. It is essentially an educated guess or speculation

I suppose it is speculating until it happens.

Can you explain the value, benefits, or otherwise good intent of the executive order?

Skepticism is warranted when there is a history

 

[texwest44]

Now I can camp wherever I want on the Grand Mesa in Colorado! I'm just gonna drive 300 yards offroad to one of the little secluded fir and aspen groves I can see from that flat stretch of highway 65 across the top of the mesa.

They think they hate Texans in Colorado - just wait!

 

[SAJ-99]

Can we get worked up about HR 7695?

To provide that the final rule titled “Special Areas; Roadless Area Conservation” and issued on January 12, 2001 (66 Fed. Reg. 3244) shall have no force or effect and require the Secretary of Agriculture to construct certain roads on National Forest System lands, and for other purposes.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/7695/text

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Foresight: the ability to predict or the action of predicting what will happen or be needed in the future

This convo has been enlightening to me and shows why imo Chief gave you a beat down. Still my all time favorite thread.

We will just agree to disagree.

Thing is we agree. I just dont think putting the cart before the horse is always warranted. Humans tend to have terrible foresight when its driven by emotion or hatred.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

Can we get worked up about HR 7695?

To provide that the final rule titled “Special Areas; Roadless Area Conservation” and issued on January 12, 2001 (66 Fed. Reg. 3244) shall have no force or effect and require the Secretary of Agriculture to construct certain roads on National Forest System lands, and for other purposes.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/7695/text

You do you. I have questions that I just don't know the answer to at this point before I could make an informed decision. Perhaps you already know the answers to these and other questions.

(b) Required road construction.—The Secretary of Agriculture, acting through the Chief of the Forest Service, shall, subject to all applicable environmental requirements (including applicable requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (42 U.S.C. 4321 et seq.)), construct on National Forest System lands such permanent and temporary roads as the Secretary determines necessary—
(1) to carry out restoration activities of the Forest Service;
(2) to carry out hazardous fuels reduction activities of the Forest Service in—
(A) an at-risk community;
(B) the wildland-urban interface; or
(C) a municipal watershed;
(3) to replace or decommission any existing permanent road determined by the Secretary to be adversely affecting the health of a forest, rangeland, or a watershed; or
(4) to carry out the intent of the Act of June 4, 1897 (16 U.S.C. 473–482, 551).

Are there areas that are in need of restoration activities that the current roadless rule make impossible?
Are there currently municipal watersheds, at-risk-communities or wildland urban interfaces that have hazardous fuel levels that the current roadless rule makes reduction impossible?
Would building a road significantly reduce the money spent defending these at-risk communities and therefore allow that savings to be used on the existing maintenance backlog?
Are there currently roads adversely affecting the health of a forest or watershed that could use replacing or decommissioning but are not allowed to under the current roadless rule?

I personally don't want any more roads in NF areas, would even like to see a few go away. But that doesn't mean that all roads are a bad idea and that the roadless rule is prohibiting otherwise beneficial road construction. Need more info.