noharleyyet
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Yep, Fin can take Buzz's "gargle my bag" phrase, transpose it, and make it sound like greeting card prose.
Good summary explanations Ben and Fin.
Good summary explanations Ben and Fin.
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To Randy and Ben and all the others intimately involved in this work. For what it's worth, you have my sincere gratitude for all the effort that you have put into this. Thankyou.
We shall see. Hearing is today in Missoula on it.
Randy, you have an outstanding ability to take the painfully complicated and break it down to layman’s terms, making it understandable. You post #30 is the first time I have seen all the different angles of the issue explained in such a way that anyone can grasp it.
You should consider cutting that post and pasting it over on MM. I would love to see the SFW/BGF wakos explain there way around the facts as you have laid them out.
Thanks for fighting the good fight.
I suspect most (maybe all) here would support S.249/HR 509 if the stars aligned and it made it through the political/civil suit gauntlet and became law.
The problem most have is with the way SFW and partners are making it "my way or the highway" and trying to kill legislation that is not of their own creation. Is that more or less the crux of it?
And what is the general feeling on where the big landowners/cattle/ag folks stand on this issue? In general, I think they're looking to put hunters at a disadvantage but some of them stand to benefit from fewer wolves. Some of them stand to benefit from fewer elk, too, I suppose.
I suspect we all would, but the odds of that passing are so small, it makes a lottery win look like a slam dunk.
Bingo! We have a winner!
And given the odds of their solution passing, those of us here in MT/ID are paying for their bets on their crazy position. If they want to keep pushing it, fine. Let MT and ID go on our way.
They obviously don't want Simpson-Tester to pass, as if MT and ID are released as hostages, even the Kool-aid drinkers will see the S.249 bill has no chance.
In MT, the landowners and ag groups are on board with the Simpson-Tester language. These groups have been in the political arena long enough to know what the odds are of a dismantle of the ESA. They want progress.
And, they need Tester for their other ag programs, so they are going to support this language because it has his name on it.
Here is how the lineup looks in DC as it relates to the Simpson-Tester language.
Team A - On one side you have the Ag groups, NRA, SCI, CSF, B&C, now RMEF and MDF, half the Democrats and all but 61of the Republicans. They are pushing to get Simpson-Tester language passed.
Team B - On the other side, you have Sportsmen for Wealthy, Big Game For Us, and 61 Republicans Co-sponsors. And now the wolf lovers have set up camp with them to try kill Simpson-Tester language.
But, Team B does have the Wolf War General rallying the troops to gather up more money. And since "He said so," it has to be true, Right?
Each person can make their own decision as to which team has the ability to pull of a win.