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Wyoming and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service hold “landmark meeting” on Wyoming wolf plan
December 19th, 2006

Huge reduction in wolves could be the outcome of proposal.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service met Monday with Governor Dave Freudental and Senator Mike Enzi of Wyoming and others in Cheyenne, to discuss the details of a new plan that would give Wyoming management of all wolves in the state outside of the National Parks. The plan would dramatically reduce wolf protection and is expected to lead to the direct killing of many packs of wolves.

Leading the discussion for the federal government was U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dale Hall, not Ed Bangs, the Northern Rockies wolf coordinator. Hall, who is the new head of the Service, was widely criticized when he was regional director of the Service in the Southwest for his antagonism toward wolves and ordering biologists his region to avoid using genetic analysis when making decisions about species. Conservation organizations who opposed his nomination said that he had politicized science in the Southwest, a common complaint about the Bush Administration

Story by Jared Miller. Casper Star Tribune.

At the present there are 23 groups of wolves in Wyoming outside Yellowstone Park. Wyoming, and folks in Wyoming would be allowed to reduce this to just seven packs. Approval of the plan would probably lead to direct aerial gunning down of wolves by the government. This would be relatively easy because, unlike the big wipeout of wolves a hundred years ago, now most packs have at least one radio collar.

To accommodate this, Wyoming legislature still needs to amend their proposed state wolf plan and talks may break down. Wyoming’s wolf plan had been rejected by the Service serval years ago for its failure to protect wolf recovery. Since then Wyoming has sued several times.

Some folks on this blog have suggested the Ed Bangs was behind this sudden change toward killing off wolves, but the presence of Hall indicates a decision at a higher level. This may be a “friendly” settlement of the lawsuit. That means the government backs off of its ability to prevail over Wyoming in the current lawsuit because it no longer believes in recovering wolves.

Approval of a Wyoming plan, would also pave the way for Idaho to reduce its strong wolf population. Many expect the Idaho Fish and Game Commission to eventually put forward a plan to reduce the current 650 wolves to around 150 wolves or 15 packs. Many expect these would reside mostly in the state’s wilderness areas, dramatically reducing opportunities for people to see the wolves or for the state of protect those that remain.

The article indicates Wyoming expects to be paid to “manage” the wolves, and negotiations may yet break down over that.

If this plan is adoptioned, it will be a rapid retreat from recovery. The government’s direction will be maintenance of token populations of wolves outside of Yellowstone and probably Montana which has a much more contemporary wolf management plan than Idaho. Because the Endangered Species Act requires recovery, not token populations, what is likely to be proposed may be illegal.

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1. Robert Hoskins | December 19th, 2006 at 9:36 am
It has been my opinion that this goes even above Dale Hall to Kempthorne and Freudenthal. In any case, the outcome of this latest imbroglio depends upon how aggressive conservationists are in working against the proposalt.

The comments of Earthjustice’s Abigail Dillon in the above story do not appear to reflect a willingess at Earthjustice to be aggressive in this matter, even though Earthjustice has intervened in the Wyoming lawsuit against the feds, representing various conservation groups.

I recall that Earthjustice failed to challenge the settlement between Wyoming and the feds over vaccinating elk on the National Elk Refuge some years back, even though Earthjustice’s clients had been granted formal intervenor status in Wyoming’s lawsuit against the Refuge over vaccination. The State lost that lawsui in federal district court and at the 10th Circuitt, but after Bush II entered office, a deal was worked out between Wyoming Gov. Jim Geringer and Tom Sansonetti with the U. S. Department of Justice. Sansonetti is a Republican hack lawyer from Cheyenne appointed to USDOJ.

The deal did considerable damage to the National Elk Refuge and the national wildlife refuge system by giving a state more authority to dictate wildlife management on the Refuge, in this case, for the benefit of the livestock industry, which is behind Wyoming’s mismanagement of elk throughout western Wyoming.

So the question is, just how much courage has Earthjustice got?


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Craig,

I asked you an important question and you sidestepped it. Will you support an agreed upon wolf management plan between the FWS and Wyoming.....100%? So far no comments from Buzz and Company. Am I going to have to put you guy's down as a BIG NO?
 
BHR,

You ask some of the dumbest questions I've ever heard.

You want people...in particular educated people who have followed this issue from the beginning...to commit to supporting a compromise that is yet to be reached?

Anyone that agrees to do something like that is an idiot...anyone that would ask such a ridiculous question an even bigger idiot.

I'd have to get some facts and get the information regarding the proposed "compromise".

Heres why. If the compromise is going to lead to wolves being reduced to numbers lower than the minimums to keep them off the list...I wouldnt back that compromise for one second. If WY, MT, and/or ID takes control I want a guarantee that they will manage in a responsible way to keep the wolves delisted. If any of the three states mess it up and the Feds have to retake control...its very unlikely they'll ever get another chance to delist and take control again.

The states are dealing with a very serious issue here and messing it up over political pressure from welfare ranchers and rednecks has long-term consequences for everyone involved.
 
Buzz,

TheTone said this early on and you didn't jump his shit.....

"God I hope that Wyoming is smart enough to accept this so we can get this delisting going."

And you said this

"Stay tuned as the landowner/outfitter/stockgrower run Wyoming State Legislature blows this chance."

From that statement, one would assume that the compromise FWS was bring to the table was a good one....are you now reneging?

Personally, I have faith that the "experts" in the FWS services can work with the Wyoming Governor to come up with a management plan that is both acceptable and defenseable in court. That's why we pay those SMART people the big bucks. Are you starting to doubt the FWS now?
 
BHR,

TheTone didnt ask anyone to blindly accept a compromise NO MATTER WHAT the compromise is.

Apparently you think the ESA and dealing with the feds is no big deal...well, I got news...it is a big deal.

This has got to be done correctly.

Go ahead and accept a proposal that will lead to relisting...see how long it takes before the states get another crack at taking over management. You dont suppose the wolf huggers will use the ESA, the failed management, etc. to sway a judge/jury do you?
 
"TheTone didnt ask anyone to blindly accept a compromise NO MATTER WHAT the compromise is." Sounded that way to me.

"Apparently you think the ESA and dealing with the feds is no big deal...well, I got news...it is a big deal.

This has got to be done correctly."
Isn't that why the USFWS is involved in the compromise? So everything is done correctly?
 
BHR,

I'll wait to see what the final compromise is before I decide whether or not to accept it.
 
Go ahead and accept a proposal that will lead to relisting...see how long it takes before the states get another crack at taking over management. You dont suppose the wolf huggers will use the ESA, the failed management, etc. to sway a judge/jury do you?

Wyoming only needs to allow 10 packs to keep them off the list. Their plan allows for a minimum of 15. How many minimum packs would you like to see in the management plan Buzz? You vote for Gov. Dave, are you now doubting his leadership abilities?
 
BHR,

I havent seen the FINAL compromise...have you?

Since its being negotiated right now...I doubt you know what the compromise is going to be...or even if one will be reached.
 
Well, when and if a deal is cut, we will put it out here to see if it passes the BUZZ test, agreed? Some level of Dual classification will be a given. Are you OK with that part Buzz? Or is that a deal breaker for you if it is part of the agreement?
 
BigWhore,
Still waiting for your explanation on the conspiracy theory. Did the conspiracy theory the Bush Administration put together work as the Bush Administration wanted?
 
I simply want Wyoming to have a plan in place that will lead to delisting. The way things currently are in Wyoming that has not happened. If a compromise plan is what is needed to get a plan in place in Wyoming, lead to the wolf being delisted, and staying delisted that is a good thing. I have not read said compromise plan, but if it is able to accomplish delisting in WY, MT, and ID; as well as sustain numbers FWS sees fit for a recovered population in this states then great. I think Buzz, Miller, and myself are taking the wait and see approach on this. Things with the government take time and this too important an issue to blindly rush into.
 
As we get closer to delisting please keep in mind that we've been told for years by BHR (and many others) that it's never going to happen and we'll never be able to shoot a wolf. Could some of those looney tunes be worried they're going to be proven wrong again?
 
"BigWhore,
Still waiting for your explanation on the conspiracy theory. Did the conspiracy theory the Bush Administration put together work as the Bush Administration wanted?"


That's what the wolf huggers are saying Jose.

I'll make sure to keep you guys posted with the current wolf hugger talking points. That way if any of you want to bail on the compromise, you will have a wide selection of reasons to do so.
 
"BHR, do you honstly think that after the elections and all of Bush`s and the Republican parties problems that wolves in Wyoming were even a blip on the radar?"

.

Answer is no.


BigWhore,
I would like to hear YOUR version of the conspiracy that the Bush Adminstration concocted.

I already told you my version Jose....go back and read it.


So is there a conspiracy or not BHR?
You talk more circles the Tom.
If there is maybe YOU can call it Wolfgate,,,now thats comedy.
 
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