AvidIndoorsman
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My response to the article on a high level, I really appreciated providing a bunch of different first hand accounts. I think the article coupled with responses on this thread are great at highlighting, just like men, there is no singular "women hunter experience" though there are some commonalities.
Bro culture absolutely exists, I've seen it first hand with guys in regards to my wife, my SIL, and various female friends hunting.
I'm mixed on the "women don't get treated different comments by some on the thread". Yes 80% of guys in the outdoor industry suck, it's not limited to hunting. There is a reason why the Hank Patterson fishing videos and the various ski and snowboard bro stereotypes exists. Whether I'm buying ski boots or a gun, I absolutely have to put up with some dumb-@ss behind the counter. Occasionally you get some awesome employee who works at sportsman's because they just love gear and you learn a lot and they really help you, mostly you just regret not buying it whatever online. All that said, I have 100% noticed that I can get people to cut to the chase because I'm a man, when I give them the old Ron Swanson "I know more than you" they go get the gun I want in the case of skiing with guides back the hell up and let me ski the line I want. This definitely is not the case with my wife or female friends even if she does the same thing a lot of times those dudes either double down, or she gets called a "bI%^". Maybe not to her face... maybe. One only has to scroll through the comments on Danielle Prewett and April Vokey's posts, to see some of this in action.
Definitely more limited equipment options, rarely is there a product that works for me that also works the female hunters I know. In the case of say a sleeping bag, whatever there are tons of options, in the case of hunting pants or a pack with a meatshelf that gets a lot tougher. Sometimes stuff just doesn't exist.
There are a lot of different "types" of male hunters in media. Cam Hanes, Randy, Rinella-> whitetail guys, sheep guys, international, older, younger, fitness oriented, food oriented. Lots of role models and representations. Seems like there are very few women representations. Basically the meateater one's female adult onset hunters, and then the one that I think Tiffany Lakosky/Eva Shockey fit into, which I kinda see as a Cam Hanes esk equivalent, maybe that's a poor comparison.
Point is not a ton of different view points. Personally I enjoy the FT episodes with Kara. I'd like to see more episodes with her... she can bring along Marcus to film I enjoy their hunts, Kara seems comfortable and confident in being in the backcountry and hunting, and I enjoy their adventures. DIY public land hunters.
I think expanding the base of hunters is important, it's a lot harder to stereotype and demonize a group when you see representations of someone like yourself in that group.
Black women talking about eating mountain line on CPW commission meetings is awesome, if you don't recognize that you sir are an idiot.
There are things about the outdoor sports industry that frustrate me, I don't see why when women bring them up the default is "oh that's just how it is, deal with it".
Bro culture absolutely exists, I've seen it first hand with guys in regards to my wife, my SIL, and various female friends hunting.
I'm mixed on the "women don't get treated different comments by some on the thread". Yes 80% of guys in the outdoor industry suck, it's not limited to hunting. There is a reason why the Hank Patterson fishing videos and the various ski and snowboard bro stereotypes exists. Whether I'm buying ski boots or a gun, I absolutely have to put up with some dumb-@ss behind the counter. Occasionally you get some awesome employee who works at sportsman's because they just love gear and you learn a lot and they really help you, mostly you just regret not buying it whatever online. All that said, I have 100% noticed that I can get people to cut to the chase because I'm a man, when I give them the old Ron Swanson "I know more than you" they go get the gun I want in the case of skiing with guides back the hell up and let me ski the line I want. This definitely is not the case with my wife or female friends even if she does the same thing a lot of times those dudes either double down, or she gets called a "bI%^". Maybe not to her face... maybe. One only has to scroll through the comments on Danielle Prewett and April Vokey's posts, to see some of this in action.
Definitely more limited equipment options, rarely is there a product that works for me that also works the female hunters I know. In the case of say a sleeping bag, whatever there are tons of options, in the case of hunting pants or a pack with a meatshelf that gets a lot tougher. Sometimes stuff just doesn't exist.
There are a lot of different "types" of male hunters in media. Cam Hanes, Randy, Rinella-> whitetail guys, sheep guys, international, older, younger, fitness oriented, food oriented. Lots of role models and representations. Seems like there are very few women representations. Basically the meateater one's female adult onset hunters, and then the one that I think Tiffany Lakosky/Eva Shockey fit into, which I kinda see as a Cam Hanes esk equivalent, maybe that's a poor comparison.
Point is not a ton of different view points. Personally I enjoy the FT episodes with Kara. I'd like to see more episodes with her... she can bring along Marcus to film I enjoy their hunts, Kara seems comfortable and confident in being in the backcountry and hunting, and I enjoy their adventures. DIY public land hunters.
I think expanding the base of hunters is important, it's a lot harder to stereotype and demonize a group when you see representations of someone like yourself in that group.
Black women talking about eating mountain line on CPW commission meetings is awesome, if you don't recognize that you sir are an idiot.
There are things about the outdoor sports industry that frustrate me, I don't see why when women bring them up the default is "oh that's just how it is, deal with it".
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