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rmauch20 said:
You have to factor in a drug habit. Those things are expensive.
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Hilljackoutlaw said:
Not sure if your implying I have a drug habit, but if u are I Dont have one. Sorry to let you down.
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You may have misunderstood, or I did. I took it as he was saying that others that find themselves in that situation need to factor it in. Many that are homeless have an addiction. But I could be wrong and it probably isn't my place to say.
 
Losing_Sanity said:
You may have misunderstood, or I did. I took it as he was saying that others that find themselves in that situation need to factor it in. Many that are homeless have an addiction. But I could be wrong and it probably isn't my place to say.
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I think that's what he was saying to. Just didnt understand why it was quoted from that certain post of mine.
 
Maybe not the best use of the quote button on my end. I was not trying imply you have a drug issue.
Back on topic. Cali’s homeless problem is self made. They seem to keep it in the backroom as much as they can. There are a few interesting pieces on L.A’s skidrow. That place looks terrifying.
 
There's always been a homelessness problem in California, it's just more of a political point for idiots to lean on. It's bad in Seattle and Portland too. It's even bad in Florida - #3 in homeless population but you won't hear that idiot trump say anything about it because he needs the votes there.

I'm really interested in how people think they would solve the problem. Yeah, you could do what they did in Santa Barbara in the 70's and criminalize it with vagrancy laws, and literally burn them out, but that just sends the problem somewhere else. It doesn't end homelessness, it just makes the rich people happy they don't have to look at it every day and it keeps their real estate values up. Meanwhile other communities have to deal with the influx.

Provide support services? Like Santa Cruz or skid row in LA, you can feed them and provide needle exchange and camping areas and they'll come in droves from somewhere else. How many of the homeless in Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Seattle are from there? Not many. Word gets around and if it's easier to live somewhere, they'll go there. So blaming a state or city for homelessness when they're coming from somewhere else is ridiculous.

Crack down on drugs? Sounds great, but that doesn't end addiction. And don't claim building a wall will do it when the drugs are coming through the ports of entry.

Provide treatment services and housing? Most of the homeless are substance addicted and mentally ill. That's what got them onto the streets. Treatment and housing isn't cheap, so who's going to pay for that? And should a community or state pay for out of area homeless people? What about those that don't want to go into treatment? Force them into state hospitals? Let's hear those who are against red flag laws argue for that idea. And once again, you provide support, they'll come from somewhere where it's harder to be homeless. Put them in camps on state and federal land? How is that solving what put these people on the streets in the first place?

So what's the solution? Not the political posturing meant to score votes from fearful old people who watch faux news all day, what is the solution to end homelessness?
 
Rancho when's the last time you heard any of the socialists running for CIC excoriate Cali's homeless policy? How about Madame Speaker?
 
Rancho Loco said:
There's always been a homelessness problem in California, it's just more of a political point for idiots to lean on. It's bad in Seattle and Portland too. It's even bad in Florida - #3 in homeless population but you won't hear that idiot trump say anything about it because he needs the votes there.

I'm really interested in how people think they would solve the problem. Yeah, you could do what they did in Santa Barbara in the 70's and criminalize it with vagrancy laws, and literally burn them out, but that just sends the problem somewhere else. It doesn't end homelessness, it just makes the rich people happy they don't have to look at it every day and it keeps their real estate values up. Meanwhile other communities have to deal with the influx.

Provide support services? Like Santa Cruz or skid row in LA, you can feed them and provide needle exchange and camping areas and they'll come in droves from somewhere else. How many of the homeless in Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Seattle are from there? Not many. Word gets around and if it's easier to live somewhere, they'll go there. So blaming a state or city for homelessness when they're coming from somewhere else is ridiculous.

Crack down on drugs? Sounds great, but that doesn't end addiction. And don't claim building a wall will do it when the drugs are coming through the ports of entry.

Provide treatment services and housing? Most of the homeless are substance addicted and mentally ill. That's what got them onto the streets. Treatment and housing isn't cheap, so who's going to pay for that? And should a community or state pay for out of area homeless people? What about those that don't want to go into treatment? Force them into state hospitals? Let's hear those who are against red flag laws argue for that idea. And once again, you provide support, they'll come from somewhere where it's harder to be homeless. Put them in camps on state and federal land? How is that solving what put these people on the streets in the first place?

So what's the solution? Not the political posturing meant to score votes from fearful old people who watch faux news all day, what is the solution to end homelessness?
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Fake news Florida is #9

edit guess it depends how you search it.
 
Rancho Loco said:
There's always been a homelessness problem in California, it's just more of a political point for idiots to lean on. It's bad in Seattle and Portland too. It's even bad in Florida - #3 in homeless population but you won't hear that idiot trump say anything about it because he needs the votes there.
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Since we are headed for a lock anyway, I suppose I'll jump in and help it along...

No reason to insult or blame Trump. He has done much to help and challenges the people responsible for those areas (Democrat Run) to do a better job. You don't have to like him, support him, and he certainly is not perfect, but don't arbitrarily blame him for not waving a magic wand and fixing other peoples mistakes. Bad situations that they have created and fostered.

Should probably keep it civil and discuss the facts... :unsure:

And now, let my beat down begin.
 
Rancho Loco said:
There's always been a homelessness problem in California, it's just more of a political point for idiots to lean on. It's bad in Seattle and Portland too. It's even bad in Florida - #3 in homeless population but you won't hear that idiot trump say anything about it because he needs the votes there.

I'm really interested in how people think they would solve the problem. Yeah, you could do what they did in Santa Barbara in the 70's and criminalize it with vagrancy laws, and literally burn them out, but that just sends the problem somewhere else. It doesn't end homelessness, it just makes the rich people happy they don't have to look at it every day and it keeps their real estate values up. Meanwhile other communities have to deal with the influx.

Provide support services? Like Santa Cruz or skid row in LA, you can feed them and provide needle exchange and camping areas and they'll come in droves from somewhere else. How many of the homeless in Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Seattle are from there? Not many. Word gets around and if it's easier to live somewhere, they'll go there. So blaming a state or city for homelessness when they're coming from somewhere else is ridiculous.

Crack down on drugs? Sounds great, but that doesn't end addiction. And don't claim building a wall will do it when the drugs are coming through the ports of entry.

Provide treatment services and housing? Most of the homeless are substance addicted and mentally ill. That's what got them onto the streets. Treatment and housing isn't cheap, so who's going to pay for that? And should a community or state pay for out of area homeless people? What about those that don't want to go into treatment? Force them into state hospitals? Let's hear those who are against red flag laws argue for that idea. And once again, you provide support, they'll come from somewhere where it's harder to be homeless. Put them in camps on state and federal land? How is that solving what put these people on the streets in the first place?

So what's the solution? Not the political posturing meant to score votes from fearful old people who watch faux news all day, what is the solution to end homelessness?
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Homelessness doesn't have a silver bullet nor does it have a single level at which it needs to be addressed. As best I can tell there are very few programs that have proven to get and keep people off the streets.

Whatever we decide as a society we need to realize that it's not just one reason that drives people to homelessness and we need to match that with multiple types of assistance.

But IMO you also have to realize that you can't force people to make good decisions, you can't force them to not become addicted to drugs or force them into treatment, you can't change mental disabilities. There are lots of factors over which we simply do not have the control to help.
 
BuzzH said:
According to who?

www.therichest.com

10 Most Homeless States in America

Not too long ago, we ran an article looking at some shocking statistics around global poverty. One of the biggest shocks for many may have been the figures concerning poverty and income levels in the
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I just searched state with most homeless which brings totally different results.

But ok let’s take that at face value, California is completely dominated by liberals/democrats, these are supposed to be the people who represent poor, the oppressed, the minority. It would certainly seem that either a. Their policies are not achieving the desired outcome or b. They aren’t who they claim to be. California has 4 times the homeless per capita as Florida just to put things in perspective . 136,000 folks on the street? Doesn’t sound like utopia to me.

I’ve spent plenty of hours of my life trying to help people I cared for very much who were addicted, some even homeless. Some died, some helped themselves and are great people with families, some are in jail. That said our societies pursuit of compassion should never jeopardize the safety of the rest of society. What’s being done in San Francisco/Seattle is not compassion, they are enabling people with addiction and mental illness. Giving them housing will not solve the problem, it will make it bigger.
 
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