This guy is still out there around Wenatchee. Watch yourselves.

[El Jason]

You are exactly right. We live with crime because society as a whole does not have the collective will to do what needs to be done to extinguish it.

You’ll never extinguish crime. You’ll just be like the Taliban in trying to do so.

 

[WildWill]

The second failure in the system is that we shipped this guy to fight our wars of greed, then left him to unsuccessfully deal with the effects. Some people seem to handle war fine, or at least not terribly (I'd like to think there are a lot of HT-ers in this camp), but there are some people who war ruins. This guy sure seems to be in the latter camp. The divorce records indicate that he struggled with PTSD, and it just kept getting worse, not better. That failure is at least partially on us.

Do you really not see how this could be offensive to a veteran?

 

[44hunter45]

Everybody needs to take step back on this one.

I posted a PSA because there is a dangerous guy at large in NCW, where some of us recreate.

It never ceases to amaze me how a simple "be careful out there" can turn into a shit throwing contest on HT.

 

[HONEYBADGER]

You’ll never extinguish crime. You’ll just be like the Taliban in trying to do so.

 

[millerkiller77]

Rope around the feet, other end on the trailer hitch, drive till there’s nothing left.

It's called Texas degloving

 

[Hammsolo]

There’s a lot here you wonderful humans, and the best part is emotion. Emotion creates motivation. What we do with it is our choice. Fantasizing about revenge is cathartic. What do we actually do? I’m being serious. What are you willing to do?

 

[cgasner1]

There’s a lot here you wonderful humans, and the best part is emotion. Emotion creates motivation. What we do with it is our choice. Fantasizing about revenge is cathartic. What do we actually do? I’m being serious. What are you willing to do?

Personally i hope he took the cowards way out so the family doesn’t have to deal with the emotions of a trial. Also so no more innocent people are hurt if he is found alive it could result in more people being hurt.

 

[mtmuley]

Also so no more innocent people are hurt if he is found alive it could result in more people being hurt.

Yeah. Like all the badasses that think they would go into the sticks after an Army Ranger. Heartbreaking story. mtmuley

 

[cgasner1]

Yeah. Like all the badasses that think they would go into the sticks after an Army Ranger. Heartbreaking story. mtmuley

It’s already sad enough we don’t need a couple dead cops on top of this

 

[Hammsolo]

We must change the way we view mental illness. We must get educated. No, not the usual talk with stigmas and all. Mental illness is more like physical illness than we’d like to believe.

We have to stop talking about mental illness like it is all the same. We would never equalize a sprained ankle with a shattered vertebrae. We wouldn’t equalize a cold with an aggressive form of cancer.

We cannot act like mild anxiety and bipolar disorder are the same. Borderline personality disorder and acute depression are not the same.

We cannot treat them the same way socially or medically. We have to stop being so worried about feelings around mental illness. Do we let feelings blind us when treating cancer?

Possibly the most complex challenge is around rights? When does someone’s rights need to be reduced due to their threat to society?

Our system failed these poor children.

 

[El Jason]

Possibly the most complex challenge is around rights? When does someone’s rights need to be reduced due to their threat to society?

That’s a million dollar question right there.

 

[cgasner1]

That’s a million dollar question right there.

The million dollar question turned into a billion dollar business and a burden for tax payers.

 

[mtmuley]

The million dollar question turned into a billion dollar business and a burden for tax payers.

How so? mtmuley

 

[cgasner1]

How so? mtmuley

By not hanging people we have a lot of full prisons in this country. Time and place for both

 

[mtmuley]

By not hanging people we have a lot of full prisons in this country. Time and place for both

Mental health issues are very complex. Hope you never have to deal with it. mtmuley

 

[cgasner1]

Mental health issues are very complex. Hope you never have to deal with it. mtmuley

Time and place for both and we spend so much money on people we shouldn’t that we could be helping more people we should

 

[El Jason]

https://www.cato.org/blog/financial-implications-death-penalty

Executions are not going to save money and allow for more mental health resources.

Central WA Veterans Counseling, a local agency serving veterans, believes that if Travis Decker had sought their help, he would have been redirected elsewhere or placed on a waitlist due to a lack of funding and a shortage of alternative resources to adequately support veterans in the region.


“This isn’t a hidden crisis—we’ve been vocal about it in the media and with local, state, and federal officials,” the group said in a statement.

My heart breaks for the mother. I cannot comprehend walking through this.

Hopefully, no more lives are lost locating and apprehending the father.

 

[R.K.]

There’s a lot of bickering back and forth here, and it feels like it comes down to two camps- those who think they’ve seen severe mental illness, and those who actually have. It is both terrifying and heartbreaking to witness, because of both the uncertainty of actions and progression and the feeling of helplessness if you attempt to help.

This was a combat veteran, an Army Ranger. He was sent to fight a war by this country’s leadership, and became one of the elite tools of the military to do so. The price he paid was his mind. He was told he would be cared for if this happened, but I feel that everyone here can agree to how #@)(*%* up the VA is when trying to seek care of ANY kind, let alone mental health care.

There are so many failings that happened here, and the girls paid the price for it. Name calling and “what-we-oughtas” won’t bring them back, and won’t bring him in. This is a tragedy at every level, end of story. Please act accordingly.

 

[44hunter45]

When evil touches your family, all the BS about what you are going to do about it goes quiet. You first have to decide if you are willing to be as evil as whoever did it. If you are, you sure as hell don't want the LEOs reading all your threats on your socials. It tears your soul and emasculates you. You dig far deeper than you ever imagined into the nature of what is evil and what is sickness. It is not a one-and-done struggle. Every day you think about what happened and how you want to take revenge. Every single day. Forever. You can't watch a Stratham, Denzel, or Momoa flick without going through the whole process over again.

If you are a person of faith, it will be stretched and may break. Not just the "How can God have let this happen?", but the "How can I be redeemed when I have such evil thoughts toward another human?" You realize that all those other people who had press conferences and said they forgave the perp, well they were either pussies or liars. After some time you begin to understand they are just farther through the process than you.

If you are lucky, you have a wife and a small group of friends to help you work through it. Without that you go off the rails pretty fast. I appreciate the sentiments voiced here. (At least those that did not devolve into personal attacks.)

I pray for this mother and her family. There is healing to be had, but what is lost is gone forever.

 

[Dave N]

Mental illness combined with depression can be hard to diagnose, accept, treat or even talk about. I had lots of signs of trouble with my wife and trying to talk about anything lead to denials, outright lies and fights. To this day I don't really know what she was going through leading up to her suicide attempt. She hid a lot and seemed like she made an attempt to cover most of her feelings. Absolutely refused to see anyone to help her with the loss of her parents. Drinking was her answer. I know what my daughter and I went through with both the shooting and then her death. But what this guy did is completely different. Self harm is one thing, harming another person is something else. But to harm your own children seems off the charts wrong and whenever it happens you can't understand just how it came about. The pain and suffering this poor mother is going through is incalculable. I've become more emotional since my wife died and things like this just seem to hit a little bit harder. I hope that she has a support system to help her with this. She's going to be hurting for a very long time.