Utah draw odds posted

[Alaskan]

It's so sad how hard it is as a non resident to draw a great limited entry elk tag in Utah. Looks like they took more away from the non resident pool.

http://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/biggame/pdf/2015/15_big_game_odds_report.pdf

 

[elkantlers]

They should be ashamed it take them so long to get the odds posted.

 

[LopeHunter]

NR% of total tags in Draw.
8.4% of Ltd. Deer
8.9% of Ltd. Elk
9.1% of Pronghorn
10.5% of Moose
8.6% of Bison
9.7% of Mtn Goat
8.6% of Rocky BH
7.5% of Desert BH

 

[Gerald Martin]

Not that I know much about Utah draws, but Montana has a 10% cap on NR limited entry permits as well. I suspect the odds are similar in Montana. For sheep, it's much less.

 

[Oneye]

It's getting tough as a resident here too, not near as tough as a non resident. This year Utah opened general season draws to the "trial Hunter" program, which is a good program for Hunter recruitment, it also helped in adding nearly 10,000 applicants to the GS deer pot this year. As for the LE elk tags, it depends the size of bull and your weapon of choice as far as a resident goes. My dad has 18 points for an LE unit and still will not be able to draw for a couple years and even then it's a 1 in 5 chance. If you're ever lucky enough to draw one of the tags PM me I'm willing to help with advice in the southern end of the state if anyone ever needs help. If you can draw the tag on most the units, you can find decent Bulls fairly easily.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Sorta paints the reality that 18 elk points doesn't do much for getting you a legit chance at an early rifle bull elk hunt in most of the "popular" units.

 

[drthornton]

Why is there such a high amount of applicants at the 6 point level for each species...even 5 rises some as well? It appears to be pretty linear except for the anomaly at 5 and 6 points.

There must have been something occur back then but I have not been in the game long enough to know what that was?

 

[Buschy]

Agreed. 17 points are not worth what I thought they would be. Luckily I am in no hurry to use them with lots of other opportunities to hunt. If I wait long enough, maybe SFW and thier puppets, Utah Game and Fish, will take away all NR tags to line Peay and companies personal pockets. Then I won't have to worry about it. It sure feels good seeing SFW do so much for hunting and hunter opportunity in UT.

 

[ihuntelk]

Why is there such a high amount of applicants at the 6 point level for each species...even 5 rises some as well? It appears to be pretty linear except for the anomaly at 5 and 6 points.

There must have been something occur back then but I have not been in the game long enough to know what that was?

It was 6 years ago that DWR allowed non-residents to apply for all the species. Before then they could apply for 1 "lifetime" species and 1 elk/deer/pronghorn.
If your odds are gonna suck that bad, why not dilute them even more by applying for 7 or 8 species instead of 2?

I'll keep shooting for the moon for 5 or 6 years until I'm ready to cash them in. If I'm still as far behind as I think I am, we'll go archery and get out of this mess that calls Utah home.

-Cade

 

[The Hedgehog]

It If I'm still as far behind as I think I am, we'll go archery and get out of this mess that calls Utah home.

Henry Mtns deer-- 1:1399 odds for rifle, 1:819 for archery. That's not even taking points into consideration.

 

[Dinkshooter]

Yet they still get me every year for $$$

 

[Dinkshooter]

I must be really bad at math

 

[LopeHunter]

If only one tag for NR in UT for a hunt code, bonus points are not in play. The one tag is awarded by random draw. Points are of no use currently for NR Desert Bighorn draws as all draws have at most one NR tag. Prior to the 200 NR tags being liberated for the Expo where 90% plus of the tags end up in hands of residents, there was a hunt code for Deserts where points came into play for one NR tag and the other tag went via random. Those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end. If you were building points for Deserts as a NR for over a decade rather than one of the other species, you got Peay'd with the Expo. When they opened up all species for NR points then you got Utah'd. How do you like them apples?

 

[jryoung]

Henry Mtns deer-- 1:1399 odds for rifle, 1:819 for archery. That's not even taking points into consideration.

Those kind of odds would probably get some folks to break out their six figure checkbooks. If a fella was an asshole...err smart he'd, figure out a way to broker the deal between the state and the uber wealthy.

 

[drthornton]

It was 6 years ago that DWR allowed non-residents to apply for all the species. Before then they could apply for 1 "lifetime" species and 1 elk/deer/pronghorn.
If your odds are gonna suck that bad, why not dilute them even more by applying for 7 or 8 species instead of 2?

I'll keep shooting for the moon for 5 or 6 years until I'm ready to cash them in. If I'm still as far behind as I think I am, we'll go archery and get out of this mess that calls Utah home.

-Cade

Got it...thank you

 

[Matt Foley]

I am glad to be out of the Utah draw game. The problem with utah is that SFW and the hunting show, horn porn has convinced everyone that they are entitled to a 350+ bull at least once in their life and that it is worth giving away all of your oportunity for it. I was lucky enough to hunt the Nebo, which is considered a lesser unit, twice while I lived there. I had a ball and shot two six point bulls. The funny thing is that the bigger one would have been about a 315-320 bull, if it wasn't broken up, and I can't even count how many people, with points in the teens, told me he was huge. I hunted OTC archey elk here in Colorado last year and loved it.

 

[1_pointer]

I am glad to be out of the Utah draw game. The problem with utah is that SFW and the hunting show, horn porn has convinced everyone that they are entitled to a 350+ bull at least once in their life and that it is worth giving away all of your oportunity for it. I was lucky enough to hunt the Nebo, which is considered a lesser unit, twice while I lived there. I had a ball and shot two six point bulls. The funny thing is that the bigger one would have been about a 315-320 bull, if it wasn't broken up, and I can't even count how many people, with points in the teens, told me he was huge. I hunted OTC archey elk here in Colorado last year and loved it.

Lots more 350" bulls in theory than reality in Utah. Not saying there aren't a lot of big bulls in UT, there is, but IME many there way over estimate the scores.

 

[Matt Foley]

Lots more 350" bulls in theory than reality in Utah. Not saying there aren't a lot of big bulls in UT, there is, but IME many there way over estimate the scores.

Exactly my point. :hump: The bull I shot was 7 years old and, like most bulls, was probably never going to reach 350. The sad thing is that many of the hunters I know came home, from their once in a lifetime hunts, disappointed that the "quality" of the bulls wasn't what they expected.

 

[The Hedgehog]

I hope there's at least a smallish 6 pointer in Utah when I draw.

 

[OriginalOscar]

Exactly my point. :hump: The bull I shot was 7 years old and, like most bulls, was probably never going to reach 350. The sad thing is that many of the hunters I know came home, from their once in a lifetime hunts, disappointed that the "quality" of the bulls wasn't what they expected.

Did you have a good time? Are inches really the measure of hunting?