US and Israel attack Iran

[Irrelevant]

If Harris had won, Dems would be in full support of action in Iran and conservatives would be against it. We don't think with our hearts, we think with our hate.

Do you really think Harris is pressing that button?

I don't, but I thought that was one of her faults.

Two things that I struggle with are, 1. What amount of truth is in the claims that they were "very close" to having nukes? How did it get this close? 2. What now?

 

[Gerald Martin]

@Nameless Range, I don’t disagree with your assessment as to this administration blatantly saying one thing and then doing whatever the hell they want.
Serious question though, hasn’t every administration done the same thing? Certainly not as overtly with the messaging but in actions that are contrary to the best interests of Americans I see a pattern of the powerful perpetuating their agendas and corruption and their “team” supporting their actions.

The state of the union is not healthy. We are an empire in decline from the corruption of a thousand cuts.

I agree with you we need to be vigilant as hell through the course of this administration and IMO we’re going to need that same vigilance for administrations to come.

In my opinion as a nation of constituents we have blindly trusted our representatives to implement values we have not comprehended without holding them accountable for actions that were in violation of our intentions. We were mesmerized by the color of our teams uniforms rather than upholding the best principles of the values that initially justified the difference in parties as a nation of common goals with disagreements on the best course to achieve them.

 

[Nameless Range]

@Nameless Range, I don’t disagree with your assessment as to this administration blatantly saying one thing and then doing whatever the hell they want.
Serious question though, hasn’t every administration done the same thing? Certainly not as overtly with the messaging but in actions that are contrary to the best interests of Americans I see a pattern of the powerful perpetuating their agendas and corruption and their “team” supporting their actions.

To the bolded, yes.

But I think this administration takes it to a new level. Corruption, hypocrisy, lies…indefensible indecency. We can only race to the bottom so long till we splat.

One can curse the partisans of the last 30 years, and see the brokenness in both sides - fingers pointed at the insanity of other to justify their own - but there’s some real lines being crossed as of late. Things that four, eight, twelve years ago would’ve been scandalous defeaters are now just shrugged off.

Be it aeronautics, firefighting, scuba diving, etc, the Normalization of Deviance is a progressive path to tragedy. We’ve seen the aberrance of American leadership over and over, but things keep on chugging and so we don’t realize how deep the shit we might be in is, or how far we have fallen, and I believe we should be more concerned than ever before.

 

[grizzly63]

When are our elected folks going to balance the budget? regardless of who is in charge at the time. Basic stuff the rest of us do on a daily basis. We can do so much better.

 

[schmalts]

I am not going to make any more comments on this thread besides this one. I don't think many here would say they want the USA to get into this but the big question is does the USA keep ignoring the elephant in the room? Iran has literally said many times they will wipe Israel and western countries off the map.... I think the term ashes was used as well. Do you ignore this and let Iran, a country run by radical Islam get nuclear weapons? This is the same country supplying weapons to other radical Islam terrorists. That is the question. Iran isn't the same as other Muslim/Islam countries such as Saudi Arabia, they are not even close when it comes to the terrorism support Iran does.

 

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