SAJ-99
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It takes people to do a prescribed fire.
Newest US Senate Land Sale Amendment
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Irrelevant
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When it unnecessarily shuts off public access.
KMO385
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It's not depending on the ecosystem. But in sage steppe its not considered the best in a lot cases. Like everything in nature the fire question is about loaded as you can get
KMO385
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Thats a fact , I wish the government would get there head out of there ass and fix that problem. But, I'll just keep wishing.
SAJ-99
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Don't worry, they're on it. Apparently fires are caused by the lack of roads. I'm sure they will rehire all those people they DOGE'd. I guess we "users" can help by doing a little raking during the slow hours in the middle of the day. Should be solved in no time.
KMO385
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Heck yeah, we gonna need all those roads to get those good raking spots. And also how are yard waste trucks supposed to pick up our bags of raked stuff?
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So without fire and without logging we will have 95% of all timbered areas old growth? Does not sound like a good plan. Young successional growth seems to be the diversity so many species need. I guess I just can't see how its good to just manage for old growth forests. Just doesn't seem right in the big picture.When it unnecessarily shuts off public access.
This one started June 13th in a previously burned matchstick forest with lush, moist veg, despite several days of intense winds, it's only grown to 1,600 acres and is putting off almost no smoke with no MODIS heat detections in the last several days. Yet the FS closed +100 square miles of access last week, and is openly stating the fire will burn until Oct. WTF?
Irrelevant
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I don't think anyone on HT thinks this.
Hydrophilic
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Yep…just went through a segment of Glacier NP today and it reminded me of much of the other NP’s and USFS land I’ve been to. Once in awhile a placard acknowledging a small meadow and how natural succession will eventually replace it.
Ethnobotany books really put it in perspective (what the land was like before fire suppression). John Muir wanted to preserve something that was crafted by active human management, and it’s impossible to preserve that with no management. Biggest blunder of modern environmentalism and many conservation orgs is the myth of hands off management.
Good books to read:
Anything from Nancy Turner
‘Tending the Wild’ Kat Anderson
KMO385
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You are correct, the mosaic created by a good fire regime create a lot of diversity. And the term old growth can mean a lot. Old growth Pondarosa Pine stands have well spaced out trees that are of an age class of 250 years plus with grass understory that sees low intensity fire every 2-10 years. The term "old growth" and its definition depend on what ecosystem your talking about. But to me, it sound like your talking about fire exclusion. Which creates a mess, and will most like eventually burn with extreme fire behavior and could create a uniform age class over a large area, and repeat the cycle.
KMO385
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Steven pyne writes some good books as well.
Goodfish
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Another interesting book with fire ecology info is” Yellowstone and the Biology of Time”.
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This thread isn’t about fires.
This thread needs to remain so people can remember what it’s like when individuals of all types (with a few common interests) rally together and do great things.
Keep it on topic or I’ll keep it locked for us to keep in the history book
This thread needs to remain so people can remember what it’s like when individuals of all types (with a few common interests) rally together and do great things.
Keep it on topic or I’ll keep it locked for us to keep in the history book
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SAJ-99
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The enjoyment is always short-lived. Even in pro sports you get maybe three months to be a champion before prepping for the next season. The scary part is they are supposed to do a budget every year. I wonder if we can raise this kind of support again? Hopefully it won’t be needed, but I also worry about sales going through other existing channels and getting rubber-stamp approvals. That is another thread I guess.
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I’m sure the next battle will be Utah’s lawsuit they will probably refile lower courts. Unless maybe now they have an administration friendly to them. Mike Johnson said he may try to do 2 more budget bills together. I would think Mike Lee wouldn’t try anything big again with this current house and senate. Maybe he’ll come back with some scaled down version just pertaining to Utah but I don’t know if that would even be allowed in reconciliation.
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SAJ-99
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See if the below sounds familiar. You can scratch out the words ‘environmental analysis’.
KMO385
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I was surprised the with noise that came from across other genres outside the outdoor, hunting and fishing world. I think at the very least its bigger blip on political radar for both parties.
Ben Nicholson
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They only send generic “we’ll get back to you soon…” emails. Make no mistake, they are spineless and will do whatever the orange clown commands. They are owned by the Farm Bureau, they couldn’t care less about public lands.
Nameless Range
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A few months back I wrote a facebook post about my concern that Elon Musk had shared a video of Milton Friedman saying the federal govt should sell all the public lands. It got shared about a hundred times and on some large group pages, so it got a bit of reach.
An individual who claimed to have a direct line to Trump and who works on Trump's Executive Orders associated with conservation and environmental issues reached out to me about the video - and assured me that there wasn't "an iceberg’s chance in hell we embark on selling public lands." Said that in his lifetime there will never be enough members of congress willing to do so. Really kind of insinuated I was overreacting and being hyperbolic.
I'm not trying to drag the guy, but damn if it doesn't seem like he was close to being wrong.Maybe close doesn't count. Though we won, the margin was disturbingly small. Maybe just the result of it being tied to the reconciliation bill.
My thought is, increasingly in today's age, folks who were in the know only ten years ago. Folks who were effective in politics in recent memory - they don't really have a handle on what politics are today. I definitely perceive that locally.
Hopefully something permanent could be put in place to protect public lands from these sneaky additions to bills and such.
An individual who claimed to have a direct line to Trump and who works on Trump's Executive Orders associated with conservation and environmental issues reached out to me about the video - and assured me that there wasn't "an iceberg’s chance in hell we embark on selling public lands." Said that in his lifetime there will never be enough members of congress willing to do so. Really kind of insinuated I was overreacting and being hyperbolic.
I'm not trying to drag the guy, but damn if it doesn't seem like he was close to being wrong.Maybe close doesn't count. Though we won, the margin was disturbingly small. Maybe just the result of it being tied to the reconciliation bill.
My thought is, increasingly in today's age, folks who were in the know only ten years ago. Folks who were effective in politics in recent memory - they don't really have a handle on what politics are today. I definitely perceive that locally.
Hopefully something permanent could be put in place to protect public lands from these sneaky additions to bills and such.
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