New Truck Time - Testing and Sorting

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I've had a two-year agreement with Nissan to use a Titan in our content, which was mostly driven by the fact that I have bought five of them out of my pocket prior to that. That 2017 now needs to be returned to them, as agreed to when they sent it to me.

Summary of that two-season test - The Titan very good truck that was well-suited for the uses I have for a truck. For the price, it represents very good value. I'm impressed enough that I've tried to buy the truck from Nissan at the end of this agreement, but because it was a pre-production model, they cannot sell it to me. That's a bummer, as I already have the custom seat covers, topper, roof rack, and upgraded the tires. I also have a Warn winch I had planned to put on it. It even survived the abuse of camera guys, who by training are able to break a logging chain with a rubber hammer.

With buying that 2017 Titan not option, I am now back in truck test/research/drive mode, the same as I was in 2016 when I bought a one-year old Titan for a screaming deal. That 2015 Titan was a beast and got more abuse than any of the Titans I've ever driven. Amazingly, after two seasons of zero problems, I sold it for only $4,000 less than I paid for it.

When I last went through this process, I looked at the following trucks:
  • Toyota Tundra TRD Off Road
  • Chevy Z27 Silverado
  • Ford Raptor
  • Ford F-150 FX4
  • Ram Rebel
  • Ram Power Wagon
  • Nissan Titan PRO-4X

It eventually came down to the Raptor, the Power Wagon, and the Titan. Each of those three had benefits that appealed to me, with the far lower price of the Titan carrying the day.

Each model has had nice upgrades over the last four years, so it will be another fun process. Chevy now has the Silverado Trail Boss, a beefed up Z71. Fortunately, one of my employees bought one in December, so I can easily get hands on feedback with that. Not enough has changed with the Ram Rebel that I can rule that out. And, the Ford F-150 is a workhorse, but if I can find a screaming deal on a Raptor, I would go that route.

I have already eliminated one other rig that will probably cause some to shake their head. I rented a 2019 decked out Toyota Tundra TRD Off Road model when I was on my Coues hunt. It was very underwhelming, much as when I tested them in 2016. For the price and reputation, I expect more. It requires a LOT of aftermarket changes to get it up to par with the other models. I struggle to understand how Toyota can make such a great truck as it has with the Tacoma, an absolute bad ass truck for its class, yet can be so pedestrian in how it appoints the Tundra. I was not impressed when I tested them in 2016 and even less impressed in December 2019. Given the luck our crew has with Tacomas, I want to give the Tundra high grades. But, for what I do and the needs I have, the Tundra rates lowest when comparing the features/lack of features/price equation.

Nissan is upgrading the 2020, but those new models are not going to be ready until June. When I go online and do the "build-price" of the 2020, I struggle to justify the cost of a brand new model for the Titan (or any truck). That model delay makes it hard for me to get a low-mileage current-model Titan that is one-year old. The 2020 Titan will have a nine-speed tranny, which will be a great upgrade. That appeals to me. And, the price is always better than some of the other trucks when looking at new trucks. I've put 50,000 miles on a 2017 Titan, which is very similar to the 2019. I don't need to test drive a Titan to know how it will work.

So, for this upcoming test, it will be these trucks I will drive/test. The idea being that I will look for a low-mileage 2019 at a screaming deal. And if none of them impress me enough, relative to the cost required for a lightly used 2019 model, I will scratch a check for my 6th Nissan Titan PRO4X, accepting it will not be the upgraded 2020 model.

  • Chevy Trail Boss (This truck came out in 2019, so there are one-year old models out there and some track record on this model)
  • Ford Raptor (The 2020 and 2019 are virtually identical, so there will be many used models out there, with little reason to pay for a brand new truck)
  • Ram Power Wagon (This model has been around a long-time. They hold value very well, so it will be interesting to see what the price will be for a low-mileage 2019)

Over the next week I plan to have done a pretty good assessment of these rigs. Then, it will be weighing the benefits of each and measuring against the cost required to buy one. Looking online the last few weeks, I am floored at what trucks cost these days. I paid $30,000 for my last truck. Looks like I'm gonna have to increase that by $20,000 for any of these trucks I am considering, at least for a low-mileage 2019. Ouch!
 
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There was a used Power Wagon nearby that I strongly considered, not 10-12 mpg on the highway just didn’t do it for me. Maybe it’s better now.
 
Did you look at the Tundra TRD Pro? Or just the basic TRD? I understand going other directions for certain reasons that the Tundra falls short in, I just know my Tundra costs me nothing on maintenance besides oil changes and have never had an issue with it.
 
Randy, is the Colorado Bison too small? mtmuley

I had researched it and I concluded it would be hard for us, given we almost always have four guys, tons of gear, and seem to run out of space even with a 5.5' bed with topper. Looks like a cool truck, though.
 
I had researched it and I concluded it would be hard for us, given we almost always have four guys, tons of gear, and seem to run out of space even with a 5.5' bed with topper. Looks like a cool truck, though.
The off road capabilities are right up your alley for sure. mtmuley
 
Silverado. Hands down most comfortable ride out of the 3 options, along with the most fuel effecient. Dodges are terrible on gas. I don't have a lot of experience with their half ton trucks but their diesel trucks I spend quite a bit of time in. Transmissions are trash. If you're not pulling much then it would probably do alright.
 
Did you look at the Tundra TRD Pro? Or just the basic TRD? I understand going other directions for certain reasons that the Tundra falls short in, I just know my Tundra costs me nothing on maintenance besides oil changes and have never had an issue with it.
It’s surprising Toyota didn’t put a locker on the PRO.
 
Did you look at the Tundra TRD Pro? Or just the basic TRD? I understand going other directions for certain reasons that the Tundra falls short in, I just know my Tundra costs me nothing on maintenance besides oil changes and have never had an issue with it.

It was the PRO. My brother has a Tundra and he's never had a problem with it, same as my Titans. The Tundra is probably the most dated of the existing models. I suspect Toyota will come out with a new model of the Tundra soon and that will be an interesting time to take another look.

I'm impressed with the Toyota brand. My mom has had Toyota cars forever and has never had a problem. Marcus treats his Tacoma like a side-by-side and he has never had a problem. I don't need any convincing on the quality of Toyota. The Tundra just lags in features and performance when compared to other off-road ready trucks currently on the market. Yet, buying a Tundra, even used, is a remedial lesson in writing large checks.
 
Oh wow, forget my comment then, I guess I just made an assumption that the top end tundra would have a locker.
I could be mistaken, but I’m just about positive they don’t. I didn’t research them very extensively because they were for outside of my budget.
 
Raptor is a wide truck and is probably top of the group for price and lowest as fuel economy.

Yeah, the width is the biggest downside of the Raptor.

As for gas mileage, they all suck. My brother's Tundra, my Titans, my friends with Power Wagon; we all cringe when we pull up to the gas pump. I've yet to see any of these trucks perform well at the gas pump once you make a few modifications and when you drive them in 4WD a good chunk of the time. As my Dad would say about his old Chevy with the 454 in it, "If you don't turn it off, you'll never get the tank filled; it burns it faster than you can pump it."

Like JLS mentioned, the Power Wagon seems intent on winning the bad gas milage race. But on the other hand, the Power Wagon surely wins the "I can tow your ass to hell and back" contest. Hard to have the towing capacity of the Power Wagon and the payload capacity, and not give up something in gas mileage.
 
I do not consider myself that old and remember when $50K got you close to some of the exotic italian car price ranges. Crazy a pickup is now to that level. I did not put that much down on my first house. Good luck in your search. I recommend a tow behind for your camera guys and gear if they are that destructive. They can keep the lamas company on the ride to camp : )
 
I do not consider myself that old and remember when $50K got you close to some of the exotic italian car price ranges. Crazy a pickup is now to that level. I did not put that much down on my first house. Good luck in your search. I recommend a tow behind for your camera guys and gear if they are that destructive. They can keep the lamas company on the ride to camp : )
The last new vehicle I bought was in 1999. I bought a brand new Dodge 2500 Cummins Quad Cab 4x4 from Yellowstone Motors in Livingston, MT. I paid 29,900 out the door. Nowadays that’ll get you a 2-3 year old pickup with 20-40k on it.
 
Oh wow, forget my comment then, I guess I just made an assumption that the top end tundra would have a locker.


I could be mistaken, but I’m just about positive they don’t. I didn’t research them very extensively because they were for outside of my budget.

It doesn't have a locking rear diff on any Tundras, though they do on the Tacomas. They do brag about all the good "after market" options for those wanting to put a locker on the Tundra. When I'm hauling a heavy load up a steep snow two-track, I want all four, not some computerized breaking system that Toyota promotes as a better alternative. Maybe I'm just too old school.

Lack of a locking rear diff is a head scratcher for me. I am sure if Toyota redesigns the Tundra, they will add that. They have to be losing a lot of sales as a result of that; at least to people with the needs I have.
 
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