Thank you, that is helpful. While there is some overlap in hunting issues from CO to NY, we do not have mountain lions or wolves, so the conversation is different here, and I'm catching up on it. In NY, deer are overrun, about ~1 million any given year, with hunters taking ~250,000...it's well established that hunting is a management tool at least for that species. I've waded into the research a bit on hunting predators as a management tool and am finding mixed results, especially for the mountain lions. Basically, hunting the older males destabilizes populations, leading to more urban conflict. Do you have good sources on this for me to look into?
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I suspect you haven't been paying attention. There is not a single legitimate hunter on the commission that controls hunting regulations in CO.
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What are your realistic expectations and how do you suggest we advocate for them?
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How about you just get Victor Marx elected?
Holy crap the dems the just killed a bill to make sex trafficking a felony, and introduced a bill to legalize prostitution. Demons are running the state in all agencies and the legislature.
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Glad I left the state when I did is all I gotta say about it at this point…
elkduds
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Like it or not, they still will come January. The larger the coalition of sportspeople including hunters, the harder we are to ignore. The bigger a target it is during primaries, the better for our cause. Because of his power to appoint CPW Commissioners, the Governor's is the most impactful voice for our cause. We must expand, monetize and increase public volume coming from our advocacy groups.
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My expectations for the state, having lived here 17 years, are that the state is well past the tipping point when it comes to these issues. As the state has gone from purple to very blue, even given the HUGE amount of dollars hunting generates in the state, policies and attitudes have followed directly and negatively for trapping and hunting. Given the entire spectrum of political changes, along with the skyrocketing cost of living, the folks moving here are more and more blue (and from even more blue states) and the folks leaving due to these things are the more red folks (including those most interested in these issues). Given what the state legislature looks like, and the absolutely insane initiatives floated every session, I can't really see a legitimate way forward. Opportunities, seasons and access will be chipped away at to the very core. The biggest problem is that the folks who lean blue but might be concerned about hunting are by FAR a minority of constituents with the folks they WILL vote for and their voices don't really hold weight. It will be a question of priorities with them and I think they will acquiesce to their group due to what they will hold "more important issues". It really is a question of numbers. Not just about blue leaners, but the TYPE of blue leaners who are the numbers. I hunt WI regularly and it is pretty purple/blue leaning BUT hunting culture is HUGE and the very whisper of going after it is catastrophe for a candidate.
As for me, as soon as the wife has gotten her pension contributions to where she wants (1-1.5 yrs) we are headed back to the Midwest. I love the mountains, but I can visit them. The people and COLA here get worse by the day and every time I go home to visit or hunt it really smacks me in the face.
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You do know that several years ago they legalized abortion up until birth, right? 2 years after voting to bring back and protect fricking wolves......let THAT sink in and you will understand where the state is at.
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I'm fully aware. Here is what is different this cycle, we are 4 years past Roe V Wade being over turned where a vast majority of of women voters were so pissed about "womens health care" They believed the lie democrats told them about abortion, and who they must vote for.
Prop 127 key to winning was urban women voters. 49.57 percent of Colorado voters are independent. I don't have a political science degree, but my daughter is working on one. Women voters can chose between Tantrum Mike, Weasel Wieser, or Pastor Victor Marx, who has a black belt, has rescued children for a living, and is full of compassion.
The key to the governors mansion lies with women voters. People need to start talking to them and telling them democrats want to traffic their kids, and make them prostitutes because it is true.
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Prove this asinine accusation.
Then show me one piece of media with Marx advocating for public lands, wildlife, hunting, fishing. His website has one sentence about opposing wolves killing livestock. He makes no mention of how he plans to fix that. Zero legislative experience.
As GOP candidate, will he or any of the others adhere to the party's platform driving transfer of public lands to private ownership? History suggests lockstep loyalty to party platform.
Here is Marx's competition for GOP primary (so far). One of them endorses hanging media members, others continue to deny the 2020 election but 2024. One claims DO is a deeply red state with a completely corrupt election system handing huge majorities to Dems.
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Of course, he'll follow 47's plan to fix that and everything else.
Republican primary
Candidates
Declared
- Scott Bottoms, state representative from the 15th district (2023–present)[18]
- Jason Clark, money manager, candidate for governor in 2014 and independent candidate in 2010[19]
- Joshua Griffin, research and development firm founder and candidate for Colorado's 5th congressional district in 2024[20]
- Barbara Kirkmeyer, state senator from the 23rd district (2021–present), candidate for Colorado's 4th congressional district in 2014, and nominee for Colorado's 8th congressional district in 2022[21]
- Victor Marx, ministry leader[20]
- Will McBride, attorney[20]
- Jason Mikesell, Teller County Sheriff[22]
- Joe Oltmann, podcaster [23]
Filed paperwork
By all means, @grasshopper , @SFC B and other red bulls, keep this forum posted on the big plans GOP candidates have for wildlife, habitat, hunting, fishing and the CPW. Those issues matter most to HT users.
Baseless, obviously false and looney assertions like CO Dems intending to prostitute children negate any credibility in your arguments. Feel free to prove me wrong about this with verifiable facts.
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I have met and personally sold guns/ammo to Mr. Marx. I know the work he does and it is something that is beyond what most can even conceive, let alone put into action. There certainly aren't ANY on the left willing or able to do those things.....it just doesn't happen. As for the wolves? It doesn't matter what any governor "wants" on that front, there is zero they could do if they wanted to. The whacko voting block (you know the big Ds) in the Den/Boulder/FoCo metroplex ensured that what the biologists and professionals at CPW told everyone was the best way forward was thwarted. Again, it really doesn't matter what ANY of the possible Republican (or Independents) would want to do......there is ZERO chance in the general election. The mess this state IS, and will proceed to head toward, is ALL the responsibility of the Dems here and there is NO chance that they will give hunters any long term consideration. Look at trapping, changes to bear hunting, wolves......the proof is in the pudding. That doesn't even begin to address what they are currently trying to do with gun laws. If you are a hunter and vote for those folks you are either lying to yourself or you are a moron. You have NO place in their plan. As for "looney", any group that thinks that killing a baby the instant before it leaves the birth canal has long lost the ability to question anyone's credibility. That is a GROTESQUE fact.
Truth be told, although I get lumped that way mostly, I am NOT beholden to a party. I end up voting Republican most of the time but it comes from a default position more and more as our politics are the "lesser of 2 evils". I am not a fan of Trump as a man but I did know a few things that forced me to vote that way. I knew he was MUCH more likely than any other candidate to actually try to do what he said (whether you like what that was or not is a different matter). I knew that he first election was most important due to the position the Court was in and the need to have justices that thought the constitution actually mattered. Finally, I WOULD have voted for Tulsi Gabbard when she SHOULD have been the Ds nominee but they showed themselves again by forcing an old school, racists, old white man from the East Coast into the position followed up by 2 literal idiots. Want to sway me, ANYBODY show up with a moderate. Otherwise, yes, I will vote for law and order, for gun rights, for reduction/constraints on entitlements, reasonableness in the military etc......
Truth be told, although I get lumped that way mostly, I am NOT beholden to a party. I end up voting Republican most of the time but it comes from a default position more and more as our politics are the "lesser of 2 evils". I am not a fan of Trump as a man but I did know a few things that forced me to vote that way. I knew he was MUCH more likely than any other candidate to actually try to do what he said (whether you like what that was or not is a different matter). I knew that he first election was most important due to the position the Court was in and the need to have justices that thought the constitution actually mattered. Finally, I WOULD have voted for Tulsi Gabbard when she SHOULD have been the Ds nominee but they showed themselves again by forcing an old school, racists, old white man from the East Coast into the position followed up by 2 literal idiots. Want to sway me, ANYBODY show up with a moderate. Otherwise, yes, I will vote for law and order, for gun rights, for reduction/constraints on entitlements, reasonableness in the military etc......
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Sure, those are some pretty wild assertions, but you don’t have to look much further than the Colorado General Assembly to find attacks on constitutional rights like freedom of speech, due process, and private property. You can’t in good conscience be asserting that the complete and total dominance of every part of state government in Colorado (nearly supermajority in house and senate) by the Colorado Democratic Party has been a good thing for hunting and sportsmen and women? Right? Polis is still the head of the party and will be going forward. Him and the rest of the “Four Horsemen” are the CO Dem super donors. Has he been great for the hunting community? Of course not and neither have the Denver/Boulder dems that control the house and senate.
I think a more reasonable take would be that the election of a GOP Governor might have a moderating force against the extreme left politics that have taken over Colorado. Shift CO back to a more purple shade, which I think would benefit everyone. We will see what happens. CO GOP has to get their act together in order to mount any reasonable challenge.
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Dud,
Short on time, and it is valuable to me. I want what is right for ALL of Colorado including my kids. You are ready to hand it to Tantrum Mike or Weasel Weiser, and throwing in the towel in February. Marx is tops in fundraising so far on the right side, try to find skeletons in his closet that he hasn't disclosed. Former Marine, His second amendment stance is rock solid, hunted as a kid, I have no doubt his appointments would be far better then any of the D's. He will bring the christian vote, so i'm in.
Like I said, the dems just introduced a bill to legalize prostitution, never a better time to beat them, you just need women voters.
Grow some balls.
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I can barely swing these 2 around. I take them to public lands as often as possible. My balls are not the issue hear, nor are your cognitive deficits and political/religious myopia. Issues matter, not my balls or your lobotomy.
Public lands. Hunting, fishing wildlife, CPW, why won't you enlighten us on your guy's position on those topics? After all this is a website dedicated to those exact issues. Absent any statements to the contrary, he will subscribe to the national GOP platform of transferring public land, choking and eliminating the federal agencies that administer and protect those resources we all own.
You said Dems plan to legally prostitute children above in your wackadoo post #30 above. Derangement Syndrome by every measure. Not going near Marx, flapping that false flag of Christianity as a reason he can govern. He never has, and I'm willing to wager, never will. Examples are everywhere of "Christians" like 47 abdicating their faith and values to be pawns in politics.
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God gave you eyes to see, use them.
Public land sales have nothing to do with governors. Public lands are growing:
Colorado State Land Board Approves Historic Land Transfer of Nearly 46,000 acres in the La Jara Basin - Western Resource Advocates
The decision to transfer the acres in Colorado's La Jara Basin permanently protects and expands wildlife habitat, recreation and agricultural uses.
westernresourceadvocates.org
BLM looks to add 4,000 acres to Dominguez-Escalante
The Bureau of Land Management is close to acquiring more than 4,000 acres of private ranchland lying in numerous parcels within the boundary of the Dominguez-Escalante National Conservation Area.
Stop drinking the kool-aid at those pint nights. Yes, Mike Lee is an idiot, but it will never come to be.
Governors appoint commissioners who vote on regulations, which you know. Currently, Im not sure any of our commissioners hunt big game.
If we had a republican governor, at the minimum, he could veto every piece of crap bill our legislature passes. Any commissioner he appoints would be leaps and bounds above current state.
I'll be knocking on doors for candidates, and Im a registered independent just like 49.7 percent of the state. All you need to win is women voters, just like prop 127 showed.
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Never attended a pint night, have volunteered on several fence pulls. As for Koolaid, your posts on this topic, now and in the past, reek of the red stuff.
Still no answer from you about Harpo Marx's platform on Colorado public lands and wildlife. Is there really nothing to tell? Governors absolutely have heavy influence on state public land transfers. Please name the GOP members that supported the huge La Jara land transfer you referenced above. You wrote public land sales don't involve governors. Wrong, false, misinformed, misleading. "The land transfer has harvested widespread support from local, state and federal officials and conservation advocates, including Gov. Jared Polis, U.S. Sens. Michael Bennet and John Hickenlooper, the Conejos County Board of Commissioners, Dan Gibbs at the Department of Natural Resources, Forest Service and BLM officials, and several wildlife and conservation advocacy groups. (source: Colorado Sun 11/10/25)"
Regardless of your denials and attempts at obfuscation (whose playbook is that?) the GOP almost exclusively opposes the Dominguez Escalante expansion of public lands, which involves BLM purchase of private property. No Colorado state properties are part of that proposal Read all about it:
AI Overview
Republican support for Bureau of Land Management (BLM) land acquisitions, such as those in the
Dominguez-Escalante National Conservation Area, is complex, often pitting local development desires against broader party goals of reducing federal land ownership. While some Republicans, like Rep. Lauren Boebert, have supported initiatives framed as respecting local needs, many in the party are currently pushing to sell or transfer federal lands in Colorado:
Please take video while knocking on doors to convince women voters to support your holier-than-thou candidate of the party that keeps trying to strip them of reproductive, voting and other rights. Show them those balls you are so fixated with. Colorado women really admire men who try to convince them to vote against their own interests. Pics or it didn't happen.
I will not defend Polis on wolves or CPW. My solution is to lobby the next democratic governor on those failings.
AI Overview
The Colorado Senate must confirm appointments made by the Governor to the Colorado Parks and Wildlife (CPW) Board of Commissioners. While the Governor appoints members, the Senate holds confirmation hearings and votes to approve them, with recent appointees facing scrutiny and close votes regarding wildlife management, such as wolf issues.
Still no answer from you about Harpo Marx's platform on Colorado public lands and wildlife. Is there really nothing to tell? Governors absolutely have heavy influence on state public land transfers. Please name the GOP members that supported the huge La Jara land transfer you referenced above. You wrote public land sales don't involve governors. Wrong, false, misinformed, misleading. "The land transfer has harvested widespread support from local, state and federal officials and conservation advocates, including Gov. Jared Polis, U.S. Sens. Michael Bennet and John Hickenlooper, the Conejos County Board of Commissioners, Dan Gibbs at the Department of Natural Resources, Forest Service and BLM officials, and several wildlife and conservation advocacy groups. (source: Colorado Sun 11/10/25)"
Regardless of your denials and attempts at obfuscation (whose playbook is that?) the GOP almost exclusively opposes the Dominguez Escalante expansion of public lands, which involves BLM purchase of private property. No Colorado state properties are part of that proposal Read all about it:
AI Overview
Republican support for Bureau of Land Management (BLM) land acquisitions, such as those in the
Dominguez-Escalante National Conservation Area, is complex, often pitting local development desires against broader party goals of reducing federal land ownership. While some Republicans, like Rep. Lauren Boebert, have supported initiatives framed as respecting local needs, many in the party are currently pushing to sell or transfer federal lands in Colorado:
Please take video while knocking on doors to convince women voters to support your holier-than-thou candidate of the party that keeps trying to strip them of reproductive, voting and other rights. Show them those balls you are so fixated with. Colorado women really admire men who try to convince them to vote against their own interests. Pics or it didn't happen.
I will not defend Polis on wolves or CPW. My solution is to lobby the next democratic governor on those failings.
Why aren't you supporting a candidate that is "unaffiliated,' as you identify? Flipping the gov with a Dem House and Senate would be a tedious cycle of veto and vote to override. His (her? LOL) appointments would be antagonistic to the senators that confirm those appointments, which won't accomplish the valid goal of restoring sportspeople influence to that group:
AI Overview
The Colorado Senate must confirm appointments made by the Governor to the Colorado Parks and Wildlife (CPW) Board of Commissioners. While the Governor appoints members, the Senate holds confirmation hearings and votes to approve them, with recent appointees facing scrutiny and close votes regarding wildlife management, such as wolf issues.
Carnage2011
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If hunting, fishing, wildlife, & CPW matter to you then you should be honest with yourself regarding the dumpster fire that CO is under the current democrat regime. Your governor has completely #@)(*%* up the commission to degrade hunting. You have ballot issues every time there’s an election. You can’t sit here and act like your Democrat buddies have done anything to strengthen any part of CPW.
Ya the PLT issues are valid but every time it comes up sportsmen have stood up and shot it down. You can’t hide behind the PLT issues and support Polis and what he’s done to aid in ruining CO’s sportsmen’s ability to have a voice.
elkduds
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Reading comprehension - D-.
My post you quoted states,"I will not defend Polis on CPW or wolves."
Carnage2011
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No it doesn’t…
