Thank you, that is helpful. While there is some overlap in hunting issues from CO to NY, we do not have mountain lions or wolves, so the conversation is different here, and I'm catching up on it. In NY, deer are overrun, about ~1 million any given year, with hunters taking ~250,000...it's well established that hunting is a management tool at least for that species. I've waded into the research a bit on hunting predators as a management tool and am finding mixed results, especially for the mountain lions. Basically, hunting the older males destabilizes populations, leading to more urban conflict. Do you have good sources on this for me to look into?
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I suspect you haven't been paying attention. There is not a single legitimate hunter on the commission that controls hunting regulations in CO.
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What are your realistic expectations and how do you suggest we advocate for them?
grasshopper
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How about you just get Victor Marx elected?
Holy crap the dems the just killed a bill to make sex trafficking a felony, and introduced a bill to legalize prostitution. Demons are running the state in all agencies and the legislature.
The_Coloradoboy
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Glad I left the state when I did is all I gotta say about it at this point…
elkduds
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Like it or not, they still will come January. The larger the coalition of sportspeople including hunters, the harder we are to ignore. The bigger a target it is during primaries, the better for our cause. Because of his power to appoint CPW Commissioners, the Governor's is the most impactful voice for our cause. We must expand, monetize and increase public volume coming from our advocacy groups.
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My expectations for the state, having lived here 17 years, are that the state is well past the tipping point when it comes to these issues. As the state has gone from purple to very blue, even given the HUGE amount of dollars hunting generates in the state, policies and attitudes have followed directly and negatively for trapping and hunting. Given the entire spectrum of political changes, along with the skyrocketing cost of living, the folks moving here are more and more blue (and from even more blue states) and the folks leaving due to these things are the more red folks (including those most interested in these issues). Given what the state legislature looks like, and the absolutely insane initiatives floated every session, I can't really see a legitimate way forward. Opportunities, seasons and access will be chipped away at to the very core. The biggest problem is that the folks who lean blue but might be concerned about hunting are by FAR a minority of constituents with the folks they WILL vote for and their voices don't really hold weight. It will be a question of priorities with them and I think they will acquiesce to their group due to what they will hold "more important issues". It really is a question of numbers. Not just about blue leaners, but the TYPE of blue leaners who are the numbers. I hunt WI regularly and it is pretty purple/blue leaning BUT hunting culture is HUGE and the very whisper of going after it is catastrophe for a candidate.
As for me, as soon as the wife has gotten her pension contributions to where she wants (1-1.5 yrs) we are headed back to the Midwest. I love the mountains, but I can visit them. The people and COLA here get worse by the day and every time I go home to visit or hunt it really smacks me in the face.
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You do know that several years ago they legalized abortion up until birth, right? 2 years after voting to bring back and protect fricking wolves......let THAT sink in and you will understand where the state is at.
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I'm fully aware. Here is what is different this cycle, we are 4 years past Roe V Wade being over turned where a vast majority of of women voters were so pissed about "womens health care" They believed the lie democrats told them about abortion, and who they must vote for.
Prop 127 key to winning was urban women voters. 49.57 percent of Colorado voters are independent. I don't have a political science degree, but my daughter is working on one. Women voters can chose between Tantrum Mike, Weasel Wieser, or Pastor Victor Marx, who has a black belt, has rescued children for a living, and is full of compassion.
The key to the governors mansion lies with women voters. People need to start talking to them and telling them democrats want to traffic their kids, and make them prostitutes because it is true.
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Prove this asinine accusation.
Then show me one piece of media with Marx advocating for public lands, wildlife, hunting, fishing. His website has one sentence about opposing wolves killing livestock. He makes no mention of how he plans to fix that. Zero legislative experience.
As GOP candidate, will he or any of the others adhere to the party's platform driving transfer of public lands to private ownership? History suggests lockstep loyalty to party platform.
Here is Marx's competition for GOP primary (so far). One of them endorses hanging media members, others continue to deny the 2020 election but 2024. One claims DO is a deeply red state with a completely corrupt election system handing huge majorities to Dems.
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Of course, he'll follow 47's plan to fix that and everything else.
Republican primary
Candidates
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- Scott Bottoms, state representative from the 15th district (2023–present)[18]
- Jason Clark, money manager, candidate for governor in 2014 and independent candidate in 2010[19]
- Joshua Griffin, research and development firm founder and candidate for Colorado's 5th congressional district in 2024[20]
- Barbara Kirkmeyer, state senator from the 23rd district (2021–present), candidate for Colorado's 4th congressional district in 2014, and nominee for Colorado's 8th congressional district in 2022[21]
- Victor Marx, ministry leader[20]
- Will McBride, attorney[20]
- Jason Mikesell, Teller County Sheriff[22]
- Joe Oltmann, podcaster [23]
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By all means, @grasshopper , @SFC B and other red bulls, keep this forum posted on the big plans GOP candidates have for wildlife, habitat, hunting, fishing and the CPW. Those issues matter most to HT users.
Baseless, obviously false and looney assertions like CO Dems intending to prostitute children negate any credibility in your arguments. Feel free to prove me wrong about this with verifiable facts.
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I have met and personally sold guns/ammo to Mr. Marx. I know the work he does and it is something that is beyond what most can even conceive, let alone put into action. There certainly aren't ANY on the left willing or able to do those things.....it just doesn't happen. As for the wolves? It doesn't matter what any governor "wants" on that front, there is zero they could do if they wanted to. The whacko voting block (you know the big Ds) in the Den/Boulder/FoCo metroplex ensured that what the biologists and professionals at CPW told everyone was the best way forward was thwarted. Again, it really doesn't matter what ANY of the possible Republican (or Independents) would want to do......there is ZERO chance in the general election. The mess this state IS, and will proceed to head toward, is ALL the responsibility of the Dems here and there is NO chance that they will give hunters any long term consideration. Look at trapping, changes to bear hunting, wolves......the proof is in the pudding. That doesn't even begin to address what they are currently trying to do with gun laws. If you are a hunter and vote for those folks you are either lying to yourself or you are a moron. You have NO place in their plan. As for "looney", any group that thinks that killing a baby the instant before it leaves the birth canal has long lost the ability to question anyone's credibility. That is a GROTESQUE fact.
Truth be told, although I get lumped that way mostly, I am NOT beholden to a party. I end up voting Republican most of the time but it comes from a default position more and more as our politics are the "lesser of 2 evils". I am not a fan of Trump as a man but I did know a few things that forced me to vote that way. I knew he was MUCH more likely than any other candidate to actually try to do what he said (whether you like what that was or not is a different matter). I knew that he first election was most important due to the position the Court was in and the need to have justices that thought the constitution actually mattered. Finally, I WOULD have voted for Tulsi Gabbard when she SHOULD have been the Ds nominee but they showed themselves again by forcing an old school, racists, old white man from the East Coast into the position followed up by 2 literal idiots. Want to sway me, ANYBODY show up with a moderate. Otherwise, yes, I will vote for law and order, for gun rights, for reduction/constraints on entitlements, reasonableness in the military etc......
Truth be told, although I get lumped that way mostly, I am NOT beholden to a party. I end up voting Republican most of the time but it comes from a default position more and more as our politics are the "lesser of 2 evils". I am not a fan of Trump as a man but I did know a few things that forced me to vote that way. I knew he was MUCH more likely than any other candidate to actually try to do what he said (whether you like what that was or not is a different matter). I knew that he first election was most important due to the position the Court was in and the need to have justices that thought the constitution actually mattered. Finally, I WOULD have voted for Tulsi Gabbard when she SHOULD have been the Ds nominee but they showed themselves again by forcing an old school, racists, old white man from the East Coast into the position followed up by 2 literal idiots. Want to sway me, ANYBODY show up with a moderate. Otherwise, yes, I will vote for law and order, for gun rights, for reduction/constraints on entitlements, reasonableness in the military etc......
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Sure, those are some pretty wild assertions, but you don’t have to look much further than the Colorado General Assembly to find attacks on constitutional rights like freedom of speech, due process, and private property. You can’t in good conscience be asserting that the complete and total dominance of every part of state government in Colorado (nearly supermajority in house and senate) by the Colorado Democratic Party has been a good thing for hunting and sportsmen and women? Right? Polis is still the head of the party and will be going forward. Him and the rest of the “Four Horsemen” are the CO Dem super donors. Has he been great for the hunting community? Of course not and neither have the Denver/Boulder dems that control the house and senate.
I think a more reasonable take would be that the election of a GOP Governor might have a moderating force against the extreme left politics that have taken over Colorado. Shift CO back to a more purple shade, which I think would benefit everyone. We will see what happens. CO GOP has to get their act together in order to mount any reasonable challenge.
