SFC B
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YOU may say that........at least 99% of archery hunters would hemorrhage from every orifice if it was a possibility.I could make that work...
Minnesota Shotgun Zone going to Rifle
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Gellar
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Some of you guys are naive on the complexities of managing a deer herd. Biologists (hopefully) have a herd size they are comfortable with that will give everyone a chance to be happy. People want different things for different reasons. Some people want to kill a doe, some people trophies, some people only want to archery hunt, and some people don’t want deer (insurance companies and farm bureau) at all.
Nick87
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And there are ways to provide oppurtunity for guys who want to fill a tag with any deer while keeping age class and buck to doe ratios in check, for guys who want antlers. Nobody ever wants to give an inch on what they want or how they think it should be. Thats the problem.
Forkyfinder
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I know what the hunting community needs - more obsession with score, age, and antler size. That will SURE keep the hunting heritage around - i think every study ever has concluded its only acceptable to the general non hunting public if we "pass" animals we think are too unideal for antlers. Besides - if the deer can stay put during the season then the plebs next door (esp on public) have no chance at killing one and can better comidify and sell the access.
The silver bullet to all of huntings problems (you know, the big issues, like the deer i see arent big enough) is ending the rut hunt.
The silver bullet to all of huntings problems (you know, the big issues, like the deer i see arent big enough) is ending the rut hunt.
Nick87
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Also I cant think of a worse idea. But im sure someone would love it as long as they don't lose there rut hunting. Dont get me wrong do I bowhunt during the rut? Absolutely. Would I be upset if we couldn't hunt it? Not necessarily.
SFC B
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I typed that wrong....meant it to say October....no rut hunts for anyone......wouldn't be that big a deal to me, but again the uproar would be bow hunters.
Bowhuntrben
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So you're saying there's still a chance?
Gellar
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The guy lost all credibility after that stunt with the Chicago bears.So you're saying there's still a chance?
no one wants them.
Bowhuntrben
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Went and found a video of the meeting this morning. Definitely some misinformation/exaggeration being spread.
First guy questioned people "shooting at a deer up on a hill" and wondering where those bullets are going to go. Again, this is training. A skyline shot is dangerous with a shotgun just as much as with a rifle and shouldn't be taken.
First guy talks of shotguns with scopes killing effectively at 200+ yards. Not to say this can't happen, but that's a damn good shot with a shotgun. I wouldn't call it the "norm". I've heard stories of my uncles in the olden days and some shots made with a bead at long distances..doesn't mean it's common or should be done.
Second guy said a person could set up a tower blind and have an effective range of almost a mile in any direction. "1000 yard shots aren't uncommon anymore." Again, I'm sure there are a select few who might take a long shot, but it would not be common. And this isn't the west. At least where I'm seeing deer long distance during hunting season, they are typically on the move and not just standing around waiting for you to set up.
I think this is a lesson for you western folks to get your crap together and learn to shoot. Us midwesterners will be making 1000 yard shots on running deer regularly.
First guy questioned people "shooting at a deer up on a hill" and wondering where those bullets are going to go. Again, this is training. A skyline shot is dangerous with a shotgun just as much as with a rifle and shouldn't be taken.
First guy talks of shotguns with scopes killing effectively at 200+ yards. Not to say this can't happen, but that's a damn good shot with a shotgun. I wouldn't call it the "norm". I've heard stories of my uncles in the olden days and some shots made with a bead at long distances..doesn't mean it's common or should be done.
Second guy said a person could set up a tower blind and have an effective range of almost a mile in any direction. "1000 yard shots aren't uncommon anymore." Again, I'm sure there are a select few who might take a long shot, but it would not be common. And this isn't the west. At least where I'm seeing deer long distance during hunting season, they are typically on the move and not just standing around waiting for you to set up.
I think this is a lesson for you western folks to get your crap together and learn to shoot. Us midwesterners will be making 1000 yard shots on running deer regularly.
Gellar
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I would agree with the safety aspect being educational and about the shot distance not changing. We have been able to use straight wall rifle cartridges for several years now (not apples to apples but you get the jist of the argument) and I would say our group is 50:50 on rifles vs shotguns. The average shot distance is probably still 50-75 yards. The terrain of southeast Minnesota is very similar to where I hunt only 20 miles south of the border. It is going to limit the shot distance and while the shot distance may increase slightly with rifles it’s going to take a very specific set up to enable any sort of long distance shooting.
