Lawsuit Filed to Cement Legality of Corner Crossing in Montana

What forky said
Is there a way to carve out exceptions? Or make changes?

Frankly id be happy to keep ag prop tax what it is for people who live on that land and try to keep scratching out a living on it.

But its also part of why these ranches are so attractive as investments which drives the market up and stops real ranching families from expanding.
 
Is there a way to carve out exceptions? Or make changes?

Frankly id be happy to keep ag prop tax what it is for people who live on that land and try to keep scratching out a living on it.

But its also part of why these ranches are so attractive as investments which drives the market up and stops real ranching families from expanding.
Big problem. Then we can bitch about all the game on private land. mtmuley
 
Is there a way to carve out exceptions? Or make changes?

Frankly id be happy to keep ag prop tax what it is for people who live on that land and try to keep scratching out a living on it.

But its also part of why these ranches are so attractive as investments which drives the market up and stops real ranching families from expanding.
taxes on ag land or homes, i think,
should be taxed on the value of the property at sell time

im my dad still lives in the house he bought 30 years ago for 50,000.00. he never sold it he should pay taxes on the 50,000, if he sells it for 400,000.00 the new guy gets the tax burden,

ranch land same way, your family owned it forever, paid very little, thats what your taxed on,

Jo Scmo. pays 40 million for it, he pays taxes on 40 million,,, when a person sells he can work thru the profit taxation situation
 
taxes on ag land or homes, i think,
should be taxed on the value of the property at sell time

im my dad still lives in the house he bought 30 years ago for 50,000.00. he never sold it he should pay taxes on the 50,000, if he sells it for 400,000.00 the new guy gets the tax burden,

ranch land same way, your family owned it forever, paid very little, thats what your taxed on,

Jo Scmo. pays 40 million for it, he pays taxes on 40 million,,, when a person sells he can work thru the profit taxation situation
Interesting thought - my issue - how do the people living their 8 generations foot the now elevated bill to expand on the neighbors property? Ideas are certainly needed....Ha mine would be quite simple - if your a NR landowner applying for a NR LO elk permit - your property is recreational 😁 and is taxed accordingly. Could be an interesting thread topic....

@Elky Welky - any updates? Or is there a place thats best to folllow?
 
taxes on ag land or homes, i think,
should be taxed on the value of the property at sell time
That is a terrible idea for everyone except the landowner. The taxes pay for stuff - teachers, police, firefighters, infrastructure, etc. The prices on those things change over time. That is why taxes are adjusted over time.
 
if your a NR landowner applying for a NR LO elk permit - your property is recreational 😁 and is taxed accordingly. Could be an interesting thread topic....

@Elky Welky - any updates? Or is there a place thats best to folllow?

This is my thought at well and why I think it’s perfect that they’re saying corner crossing devalues their land. If it’s devalued due to corner crossing then there’s no way it should be considered ‘ag land’.

It’s the same reason why I would love to see FWP get away from bull permits in ‘over objective’ areas. Peoples true intent will come out when it hits their pocketbook…
 
Is there a way to carve out exceptions? Or make changes?

Frankly id be happy to keep ag prop tax what it is for people who live on that land and try to keep scratching out a living on it.

But its also part of why these ranches are so attractive as investments which drives the market up and stops real ranching families from expanding.
Possibly, but it’s so difficult to figure out something that can’t be end-run. I’ve oft said “show me a rule or law, and I’ll figure a way around it, and if I can’t I’ll find someone who can”.
 
That is a terrible idea for everyone except the landowner. The taxes pay for stuff - teachers, police, firefighters, infrastructure, etc. The prices on those things change over time. That is why taxes are adjusted over time.
Can you clarify?

The way I understand this idea they would still be adjusted over time with each sale . . . property is selling every day, so the tax burden would still be ever-increasing, no?
 
Can you clarify?

The way I understand this idea they would still be adjusted over time with each sale . . . property is selling every day, so the tax burden would still be ever-increasing, no?
There are already numerous tax structures in place to ensure property gets passed on to heirs, so it wouldn’t be sold. Even if you designed a law to increase the taxable basis not every property is sold every year. At some point you will be telling the teachers and firefighter and police that despite the cost of living increasing there raise will be very small, if anything at all, because there were many sales. Then the snowball starts down the hill. This is why our economy if very much based on real estate and the value of it. The last recent broad-based decline in values almost brought down the entire global economy.
 
There are already numerous tax structures in place to ensure property gets passed on to heirs, so it wouldn’t be sold. Even if you designed a law to increase the taxable basis not every property is sold every year. At some point you will be telling the teachers and firefighter and police that despite the cost of living increasing there raise will be very small, if anything at all, because there were many sales. Then the snowball starts down the hill. This is why our economy if very much based on real estate and the value of it. The last recent broad-based decline in values almost brought down the entire global economy.
That only happened because of, more or less, degenerate gambling on a massive scale.
 
No. It happens because everything is linked together in the financial system and housing is a big part of it. The relative stability of real estate prices is key to the whole thing.
Everything is connected, but the instance you are referencing was specifically caused by massive speculation by everyone from individual investors to multi-billion dollar companies.
 
Everything is connected, but the instance you are referencing was specifically caused by massive speculation by everyone from individual investors to multi-billion dollar companies.
Caused by the 1999 repeal of Glass Steagall. Banks did what politicians wanted them to do, so like with most things politicians can be blamed. There were people buying MBS for $0.20/$ that ended up being money good. It's a fine line between downturn and crisis. I'm not sure how we want to measure speculation, but there is as much today's there was then, maybe just in different places. But there is still plenty in housing, and Politicians support it, like they always do, because it's the American dream, I guess.


 

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