1. Same landowners are complaining to game agencies that there too many animals eating a the groceries.Please help me understand when someone works their whole life, saves money and buys to them what is dream property any comment other than “good for them” isn’t used. Why do we get mad when someone puts up no trespassing? Do you allow people to freely walk in your house or backyard? I have a small piece of hunting land. Guy next to me just bought 7000 acres. Running cattle and doesn’t want any hunters. Good for him.
I get public land being sold off by the states to private. But land that is already private changing hands, so what? Ya I know once it was all public. But then The dinosaurs had it then.
Not in Oregon. I guess laws are different where you are. Oregon your not even guaranteed tag as LOP. It’s part of general pool. Many landowners only get tags every 3-4 years unless damage tags. If you do get tag it’s onoy for your property not unit. Next year they are opening up general cow tags to public to hunt in over objective units. I have no say so in any legislative issues effecting wildlife. Never had a survey, questionnaire or allowed to qualify for special tax assessment.1. Same landowners are complaining to game agencies that there too many animals eating a the groceries.
2. Landowner/Agro Lobbyist get legislature to alter laws to tilt public access on surrounding public. Stream access, corner crossing and shutdown public roads and trails.
3. Landowner/agro lobbyist and legislatures pressure/blackmail game agencies to reduce game populations and objectives below what has always been deemed a biological population objective.
4. That reduction takes place solely on public lands pushing even more animals onto the private sanctuaries.
5. landowner/agro lobbyist use legislature to mandate more tags be given to landowners. Thus reducing the availability to the average man.
6. Landowners/agro lobbyist push legislature to add additional fees to huntering license that pay landowners depredation payments for animals that are being hoarded on private by keeping hunters out.
7. Aforementioned laws get changed to add the ability for landowners to purchase irrigation equipment, and fencing in addition to the depredation compensation that landowners actually use to fence wildlife in their property.
I could go on and on.
Thats awesome lets hope it stays that way.Not in Oregon. I guess laws are different where you are. Oregon your not even guaranteed tag as LOP. It’s part of general pool. Many landowners only get tags every 3-4 years unless damage tags. If you do get tag it’s onoy for your property not unit. Next year they are opening up general cow tags to public to hunt in over objective units. I have no say so in any legislative issues effecting wildlife. Never had a survey, questionnaire or allowed to qualify for special tax assessment.
Totally agree. I am originally from Ohio and the way they do it makes sense - the tag is only good on the land you use to claim the preference.I have always had a sour feeling about landowner preference tags in Montana, but that has revolved around how they work for HD 380.
380 is about 60% private land, but if you break that private land down into parcels that create eligibility, about 30% of the district is owned by 40-some landowners eligible for landowner preference.
For the non-land owning public, your odds of drawing that tag are about 1%. For land owners with preference, it's something like 40%. A friend of mine drew it two years in a row just a couple years ago.
I understand the logic behind them, and as they exist I wouldn't make an effort to cease them, but I would fight like hell against any increase in the 15% allocation in Montana. Part of that reason is that I know a few folks who enjoy landowner preference in 380, and I don't think they look at the tag as an offset for the friction having elk on their land causes. They like elk on their land, and the tag is just a bonus.
Second paragraph BINGO !This isn't as at how this works in CO either... my wifes family has a ranch in a limited draw area and you still have to draw as a land owner but it bacially just improves your chances and it is transferable... basically they can get one 2nd season deer tag a year which they always give to friends and family. For 4th season they basically can draw in 5-6 years instead of 8 plus. The regs are more complex and nuanced then this but the idea that someone with a big ranch can get a tag for the best unit in the best season every year isn't the reality for most landowners. Further the whole program provides incentive for landowners to maintain their property as habit, which means more deer on public lands that are adjacent. Probably also helps landowners from getting resentful and poaching when they live in units where they otherwise would never get a chance to hunt because the unit is managed as a trophy unit.
I kinda get frustrated when guys out east who hunt the west complain about landowner tags because I'm almost certain these same people are hunting white tail on there property back home and would be pissed if their state decided to manage their unit as a trophy unit and said they could never hunt there own land more than once in their life. Put yourself in other people's shoes. Yes some bad apples exploit the system but over all I think it works.
What if I told you I know? Just asking which is worse.What if I told you those two things are not mutually exclusive?
60 acres...600...6000...60,000?If you own land, you get ONE tag. Done. No sales no transfers.
and you're leaving the state no longer to be a resident...lol60 acres...600...6000...60,000?
“You get one”...my wife and I are on the deed who gets the tag? Can my son or daughter have it one year? What about my mom/sister? Daughter in law?
If I sell the tag for 10k am I more likely to tolerate and therefore “feed” elk on my land during the winter. Does that put more elk on the hill for public land hunters?
If I can sell a voucher or get one for that matter and elk eat my hay all winter, why wouldn’t I put a fence around my whole property. My field is traditional winter range and therefore the elk are losing a lot of their critical habitat.
These are all hypotheticals. I own nothing. You have to think about the angles and effects.
Exactly.and you're leaving the state no longer to be a resident...lol