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Israel needs another regime change. Our politicians will happily oblige to keep compromising videos from being released.
Israel attacks Iran’s nuclear facilities
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rjthehunter
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Japan should call Iran and warn them that the US isn't interested in playing stupid games. They know a thing or two because they've seen a thing or two.
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I hope not
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Anyway, cheer up guys
glass eye
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“When he destroyed the bomb factory no one was glad, the bombs were meant for him, he was supposed to feel bad”
MO Betta
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India has stated that they will turn Pakistan into glass if they do. India is just begging for the opportunity.
It's reasonable to believe that Iran is/was close to being able to field nukes, having multiple enrichment facilities. I give it more benefit of the doubt than W's WMD claims about Iraq. What is more surprising to me is that they haven't received one or more from some of their BRICS allies.
There is one facility that Israel can't penetrate (Fordow) that will require bunker busters - that will require us to accomplish.
USAF has been keeping at least one Constant Phoenix in the air regularly over the past few days, that we can see on flightradar24. Those are sampling the atmosphere to pick up nuclear explosions.
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PizzaKittensGalaxyForce
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I wouldn't either. The "nuclear threat" is just an excuse to try and force a regime change. Bibi has been crying about Iran having nuclear capabilities for decades and it's always "they're weeks or months" away from having nukes and they never do. Plus Tulsi Gabbard, in March, testified that there is no indication or evidence that Iran is building a nuclear weapon.
My 2 cents on all of this: The political/religious issues in the Middle East are unsolvable from the outside, hell they haven’t solved them from the inside. Pressure needs to be put on the Saudi’s and Israel to get this figured out. No different than Europe, it’s pretty much a fact that Russia invaded Ukraine when we and Europe were trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. We’d do the same if Mexico joined a coalition with China.
It’s time we stay out of other peoples affairs, since the 1950’s our involvement in the middle east has been nothing but blowback.
The sad part about Gaza and the war over there is that the entire population gets a little brainwashed into wanting to kill Jews, so they make it almost normal from school on, that of course freaks the Israelis out.
I’m no expert, but I would call a meeting of all world leaders, explain to them our satellites are always tracking them and it’s totally up to them if they’d like to start a war, but they die first.
It’s time we stay out of other peoples affairs, since the 1950’s our involvement in the middle east has been nothing but blowback.
The sad part about Gaza and the war over there is that the entire population gets a little brainwashed into wanting to kill Jews, so they make it almost normal from school on, that of course freaks the Israelis out.
I’m no expert, but I would call a meeting of all world leaders, explain to them our satellites are always tracking them and it’s totally up to them if they’d like to start a war, but they die first.
Gulf of America
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Not disagreeing with you, but it's a vicious cycle. It's hard to imagine anyone growing up in Gaza right now not growing up wanting to destroy the country that's indiscriminately killing civilians. Kind of like how our efforts against the Afghan insurgents just created more insurgents.
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Allowing Iran to dabble with nuclear material of any sort is like allowing Mike Lee to dabble with public land policy of any sort. It’s probably bad and the privilege should have been revoked long ago.
I don’t disagree, I do take issue on both sides of innocents being killed. I’m not defending Israel, but the October 7th attacks had some absolutely brutal stories come out of it. If grown men wanna fight I say have at it, but when you think it’s ok to indiscriminately kill women and children then you lose me. I know it’s happened on both sides. I’m just not sure how to stop the cycle now. I guess kill every MAM on both sides and hope the next generation figures it out. I honestly don’t know, the radicals just always seem to get the masses involved.
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Criticism of how Israel is conducting their military actions is not completely unwarranted but a relevant question correlates with any comments about Israel’s conduct.
What is the appropriate response to nations and individuals who have vowed to eliminate you as a nation and an ethnicity and have consistently attempted to do so in the past?
Israel has a history of pre-emptive strikes and seemingly overwhelming responses to attacks on its civilians and nation. Who gets to determine what is “fair and appropriate” when one’s adversaries have vowed to destroy you, not because of what you have done but because you exist?
This is not as simple as cause and effect where Israel is only reaping the hatred it deserves because of actions it’s government and citizens have done.
Since 1948, how many nations that have pledged peace with Israel have been attacked by Israel?
Would terrorists stop hating the United States if we stopped doing the things they claim are the justification for their actions?
What is the appropriate response to nations and individuals who have vowed to eliminate you as a nation and an ethnicity and have consistently attempted to do so in the past?
Israel has a history of pre-emptive strikes and seemingly overwhelming responses to attacks on its civilians and nation. Who gets to determine what is “fair and appropriate” when one’s adversaries have vowed to destroy you, not because of what you have done but because you exist?
This is not as simple as cause and effect where Israel is only reaping the hatred it deserves because of actions it’s government and citizens have done.
Since 1948, how many nations that have pledged peace with Israel have been attacked by Israel?
Would terrorists stop hating the United States if we stopped doing the things they claim are the justification for their actions?
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Perhaps not. But everytime you kill one father bent on vengence against America - two sons are born again with new hatred.
You might not see it that way - but if russia invded and killed your/my family - i think i know exactly how I would feel and would think you'd feel similar.
Gerald Martin
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Not going to disagree with how I would feel in your scenario.
But if you/I and our family lived in a country that had vowed the destruction of Russia and death of all Russians what would you expect to happen when Americans perpetrated acts of terrorism against Russian civilians?
This didn’t start on Oct.7 and the hatred for Jews and Isreal is a historical precondition to all the wars in that region that have happened since 1948.
Gulf of America
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Unless you've spent time on the ground in any of the arab nations, I don't think you can ascribe that anti-Israel sentiment to the general citizens of all those countries. When a religious hardline is running the nation, the rhetoric that is broadcast isn't necessarily a fair representation of the actual majority, just like Marjorie Taylor Greene's Jewish space lasers bogus isn't a fair representation of the majority of Americans. I haven't spent time in the middle east, so maybe I'm wrong, but like Forky said, the conflict right now is guaranteeing another generation of Palestinians will grow up viewing Israel as an existential threat.
Gerald Martin
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Whatever is or isn’t a fair representation of the attitude of the general populace doesn’t really change the reality that is perpetrated on Israel by hard line Islamists and terrrorists.
Does a “reasonable “ response from Israel change that?
Does a “reasonable “ response from Israel change that?
Matthew57
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I'm sure for them it doesn't feel reasonable.
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No disagreement in your scenario either.
To be clear i note a striking difference between avoiding civilians and targetting them. And i dont fall victim to thinking israel shouldnt return fire or act in an act of preservation.
Just pointing out that us becoming occupiers to the detriment of our young men and checkbook has yielded very poor returns.
Gulf of America
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In the long game, maybe. If the long-term trend of Iran was increasing westernization and increasing democratization, that seems like a more viable path towards Iran not being a threat to Israel in the future than the temporary destruction of nuclear facilities. The list of enemies that we've bombed into being allies is short, but not empty, but I think the situation over there is more complicated. IDK, I just don't want us involved because this has been going on for 75 years and it's going to go on for at least that many more.
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