Israel attacks Iran’s nuclear facilities

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yeah i dunno. i think gaza rage 2.0 is still very much on the table here with Netanyahu.

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Labman said:
I too have spent a lot of time in the Middle East, over a year of my life. The very last word I would use to describe any of it would be “beautiful”. Every part I went to I would consider a shit hole on the grandest scale, even that is giving it more credit than is due.
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Where in the Middle East? I've spent time in war torn poop-holes as well as beautiful peaceful countries. You can't just judge the Middle East based on some of its worst areas.

Otherwise the USA is nothing but a meth infested swamp and Canada is one massive trailer park.

I found beauty even in the worst shythole possible, Panjwai, where dudes in sandals were trying to kill us daily.
 
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BigHornRam said:
Market thinks this little dust up will be resolved quickly.

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The thought is Iran wants to buy time on nuclear program. They were weeks from final enrichment. If that is the reason for Israel to strike, it will take time to determine how effective it was. Crazy. So many unknowns. I don't see a quick end to this. If they start talking, oil falls back to $65. If Israel wants to cripple the Iranian economy and hits Kharg, oil goes to $100 and the "what are you paying for gas" thread lights up again. Place your bets.
 
SAJ-99 said:
The thought is Iran wants to buy time on nuclear program. They were weeks from final enrichment. If that is the reason for Israel to strike, it will take time to determine how effective it was. Crazy. So many unknowns. I don't see a quick end to this. If they start talking, oil falls back to $65. If Israel wants to cripple the Iranian economy and hits Kharg, oil goes to $100 and the "what are you paying for gas" thread lights up again. Place your bets.
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Netanyahu reiterated earlier today that he is not interested in ceasefire; he is interested in the elimination of the nuclear program.

Nuclear talks don't and won't involve "elimination of the nuclear program" if you ask me. Israel has shown us its resolve in the past 1-2 years and we have a CIC that shows tacit approval of the "plan."

I know how I'm betting.
 
TOGIE said:
Netanyahu reiterated earlier today that he is not interested in ceasefire; he is interested in the elimination of the nuclear program.
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Clearly that's the goal, but there is just no way to confirm its status. As was pointed out, the US considered attacks on the enrichment facilities with "bunker busters" years ago, but even then there was no clear agreement that it would work. You need regime change...again.

Interesting to watch as Israel encouraged Iranians to "rise up against the oppressive regime" or something like that. Iran certainly has a large percentage that would want a new government, but who knows how dedicated they might be to that.

Also, can we call the Geneva Convention officially dead?
 
SaskHunter said:
Where in the Middle East? I've spent time in war torn poop-holes as well as beautiful peaceful countries. You can't just judge the Middle East based on some of its worst areas.

Otherwise the USA is nothing but a meth infested swamp and Canada is one massive trailer park.

I found beauty even in the worst shythole possible, Panjwai, where dudes in sandals were trying to kill us daily.
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Off the top of my head…Kuwait City, Beruit, Djibouti, Doha, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Baghdad, Al Asad, Bagram, and some dump in Jordan I was at for a few hours and can’t remember the name of.

I found beauty in none of it until it was in the rear view mirror.
 
Forkyfinder said:
Older HTers - how long have you heard Iran is on the cusp of nukes?

Not to say that i think its impossible - but it seems like they have been "very close" as long as ive followed it (last 5 or so years).

Im a natural skeptic, but thats been only enhanced by the fact that the last middle eastern country with "weapons of mass destruction" .... didnt seem to have them.

All that i hope is that this doesnt involve the USA and our troops.
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This.

The intelligence that Iran was at 60% enrichment is not our (US) own. This seems to be the basis for Israel’s attack. I didn’t realize Netanyahu stated with certainty Iraq had nuclear weapon capabilities. So I too am skeptical of it all. An opinion stated as a fact is an open invitation for an argument, or in this case, war/conflict.

Honestly IMO the only missing ingredient is a terrorist attack on US soil (which given the previous administrations borer policy I do believe is a realistic possibility) and we could be facing Iraq 2.0?

That being said if a nation is chanting death to your nation at some point there’s going to be a reaction so if Israel’s intelligence is legit it seems rational.

I agree I hope near zero involvement from US.

Seems likely Tehran is about to be bombed heavily, presumably non-nuclear as to not upset the Grays.
 
howl said:
There was a period when they weren't a problem. It lasted from about the beginning of the industrial revolution to after WWII. A return to those conditions is theoretically possible, but unlikely.
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Seems to me this is about the time the countries with oil had developed the ability to exchange it for money, and demanded to be in charge of the oil (eg nationalize or sell rights to oil pumpers/sellers) which really took off after WWII, yes?

Up until then aramco, shell, bp, Texaco, gulf etc were getting the sweetest deal ever.
 
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