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[seeth07]

After reading this whole trade deal. What do people think will happen wins and losses? Honestly, I don’t think it will shift all that much. Cowboys will collapse and Packers will continue to be mediocre.

Parson’s is not a “generational player,” as mentioned. Most people will not remember him in 20 years. He’s no LT, or even Derrick Thomas and many here may say, “Derrick who?”

He’s not even the best OLB/DE in the game. Watt and Crosby are significantly better, and Parson’s can’t hold Garrett’s jock strap. You could argue he’s not even top 5. Hendrickson is more productive and Bosa is every bit the player. The dude is Garrett. He is a a legit freak, and has done it on a garbage team. We all know he’ll rip your helmet off and beat you to death. He’s the biggest, most talented, and a dawg. No, I am not a Browns fan.

Experts would disagree with your assessment. ESPN just assembled a list of the top 100 players in the NFL right now just four days ago which is a consensus from their NFL analyst staff. Defensively on the list was Myles Garrett at #3, Pat Surtain at number #6 and then Micah Parsons at #9.

As far as your question about wins/losses, if you want to look at it like baseball, you could probably argue that the WAR on Parsons coming into GB is probably something like 0.5 meaning that his impact gives the team about a 1/2 win more than it would of had without him.

 

[noharleyyet]

Zero punches pulled...
"More than anything, we should be happy for Parsons, who fought his way out of this fake-ass QVC broadcast masquerading as a professional football team. So long as this owner remains, the Cowboys will be a handful of nice-looking fish roaming around in a cloudy tank, with no real direction, just an avenue to catch people’s attention as they walk on by. Fans who stick around, fans who believe they are in on the three-dimensional chess, fans who think that this decade is going to be the one in which the old gambler rewards their blood, sweat and hard-earned money with anything but the bare minimum effort, are disappointingly simple-minded. You are under the spell of a grifter, my friends, one who should have had the keys taken away a long, long time ago."

Micah Parsons Trade Is Proof Jerry Jones Should No Longer Lead Cowboys

Negotiations were mismanaged at every step of the way, resulting in the latest unforgivable gaffe by the franchise’s chief decision-maker.

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[Wild Bill]

Kenny Clark needs to be Aaron Donald-esque, and they need both of those first round picks to be immediate starters and fringe pro bowlers make this trade even close to even.

Jerry fumbled the Dak contract at every turn and then let the market dictate what he had to pay CeeDee instead of getting it done early and setting the market. Because of those mistakes, their cap situation was too F'd up be able to pay one of the best players in the game what he deserves.

This is one of the stupidest trades in the history of the NFL. They traded a generational talent for two late round firsts an a 30 year old declining player, and basically never shopped him around. I have no doubt there are probably at least 5 teams that would have given up more picks and/or players to get the deal done. Hilariously bad move by Jerry.

And for folks that are saying that Parson's isn't a phenomenal game changing player, you don't know ball, respectfully.

 

[seeth07]

I have no doubt there are probably at least 5 teams that would have given up more picks and/or players to get the deal done.

ESPN Milwaukee did a good break down of the salary cap and the list is pretty small of teams that had the room to fit the 45mil/year deal without having to also give up a really good player or get extremely creative with a heavy back ended contract which is never a good thing for the franchise. You are right in that the landing spot for a trade was about 5 teams. The Rams actually made a lot of sense and they have 2 first round picks next year. That fact alone, since both the Rams and their other pick - the Falcons, are most likely to be picks in the top 20 if not top 10, makes what they had to give substantially more valuable on top of the fact that they would have the cap space to fit the contract.

 

[Wild Bill]

ESPN Milwaukee did a good break down of the salary cap and the list is pretty small of teams that had the room to fit the 45mil/year deal without having to also give up a really good player or get extremely creative with a heavy back ended contract which is never a good thing for the franchise. You are right in that the landing spot for a trade was about 5 teams. The Rams actually made a lot of sense and they have 2 first round picks next year. That fact alone, since both the Rams and their other pick - the Falcons, are most likely to be picks in the top 20 if not top 10, makes what they had to give substantially more valuable on top of the fact that they would have the cap space to fit the contract.

Rams are probably holding onto those to trade up for a QB if they like one enough.

There would have been a number of teams that would have been able to make cap space for that contract had they traded him in March.

 

[buck23]

I don't watch much football anymore other than Clemson, money has taken over the game so much, and it's hard to believe some of the salaries. I looked up the defending champs 25' salaries for defensive line and linebackers, Parsons wanted more than those players got combined. I wonder how many Packers lineman will resent them paying him that much, he is a great player but still only one man.

 

[WVmike]

Kenny Clark needs to be Aaron Donald-esque, and they need both of those first round picks to be immediate starters and fringe pro bowlers make this trade even close to even.

Jerry fumbled the Dak contract at every turn and then let the market dictate what he had to pay CeeDee instead of getting it done early and setting the market. Because of those mistakes, their cap situation was too F'd up be able to pay one of the best players in the game what he deserves.

This is one of the stupidest trades in the history of the NFL. They traded a generational talent for two late round firsts an a 30 year old declining player, and basically never shopped him around. I have no doubt there are probably at least 5 teams that would have given up more picks and/or players to get the deal done. Hilariously bad move by Jerry.

And for folks that are saying that Parson's isn't a phenomenal game changing player, you don't know ball, respectfully.

I'd rather watch college but it's getting to be about as bad as the NFL, but I agree with wild bill about Parson's being a game changer. You have to know where he is lined up on the field at all times. No team bias for me but that's just x's and o's.

 

[seeth07]

I'd say the Packers and Cowboys history over the last decade or so has been pretty one sided?

2014: Dez caught it
2016: 3rd and 20
2020: Dallas hires Mike McCarthy
2023: Packers embarrass the Cowboys in the playoffs
2025: Dallas on paper without a doubt loses in trading Micah Parsons to Green Bay

 

[BrentD]

I'd rather watch college but it's getting to be about as bad as the NFL, but I agree with wild bill about Parson's being a game changer. You have to know where he is lined up on the field at all times. No team bias for me but that's just x's and o's.

College is way worse. Way worse.

 

[JEL]

Kenny Clark needs to be Aaron Donald-esque, and they need both of those first round picks to be immediate starters and fringe pro bowlers make this trade even close to even.

Jerry fumbled the Dak contract at every turn and then let the market dictate what he had to pay CeeDee instead of getting it done early and setting the market. Because of those mistakes, their cap situation was too F'd up be able to pay one of the best players in the game what he deserves.

This is one of the stupidest trades in the history of the NFL. They traded a generational talent for two late round firsts an a 30 year old declining player, and basically never shopped him around. I have no doubt there are probably at least 5 teams that would have given up more picks and/or players to get the deal done. Hilariously bad move by Jerry.

And for folks that are saying that Parson's isn't a phenomenal game changing player, you don't know ball, respectfully.

I think Micah is great. But….. is he a true game changer? Does he really give you a better chance to win the SB. Probably but so far it hasn’t happened. He goes dark in big games.

 

[Wild Bill]

is he a true game changer? Does he really give you a better chance to win the SB.

Yes. He’s a 3 time first team All-Pro in 4 seasons.
Also, stats don’t tell the tale of the tape. I guarantee you watch the tape from those playoff games and you won’t find a single play he’s not getting doubled and chipped. His presence creates opportunities for his teammates to clean up. Whether they pull their weight or not, is up to them.
I think people are straining their minds a little bit about this one. There are 31 teams in the NFL that would love to have him on their team. You find ways to pay generational talents.

 

[seeth07]

You're really not jealous @VikingsGuy ???

This guy sure is.

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[Treeshark]

The Packers biggest weakness going into this season is pass coverage imo.

The best way to fix that would be to upgrade at corner (not sure they did). The second best way is to improve their pressure on the QB, which hopefully they did do.

 

[Gr8bawana]

As a diehard Cowboys fan I know nothing is ever going to change as long as Jerry is Jerry

 

[Hammsolo]

Experts would disagree with your assessment. ESPN just assembled a list of the top 100 players in the NFL right now just four days ago which is a consensus from their NFL analyst staff. Defensively on the list was Myles Garrett at #3, Pat Surtain at number #6 and then Micah Parsons at #9.

As far as your question about wins/losses, if you want to look at it like baseball, you could probably argue that the WAR on Parsons coming into GB is probably something like 0.5 meaning that his impact gives the team about a 1/2 win more than it would of had without him.

My point? 1/2 a game? Worth it?

Parsons is no where near the player that Garrett is. Garrett crushes on the pass rush and run defense. Parsons is a pass rush specialist.

Surtain is a corner. Why did you include him?

Experts would disagree with your assessment. ESPN just assembled a list of the top 100 players in the NFL right now just four days ago which is a consensus from their NFL analyst staff. Defensively on the list was Myles Garrett at #3, Pat Surtain at number #6 and then Micah Parsons at #9.

As far as your question about wins/losses, if you want to look at it like baseball, you could probably argue that the WAR on Parsons coming into GB is probably something like 0.5 meaning that his impact gives the team about a 1/2 win more than it would of had without him

What assessment? ESPN? “Their rankings are based on predicting potential greatness rather than past performance.” I won’t say I know more than them, but I know quite a bit. Played, coached, watched too much.

I tend to look at the past, and then ease into the future. Don’t get me wrong, Micah is awesome. Feel free to analyze the past. Have you looked at stats? How many times has he led the league in sacks or tfl’s? I first stated he’s not a “generational player,” as someone stated. In my opinion, you need to be transcendent to do that.

I’d say TJ could be… He’s led the league in sacks 3 out of 5 of the last years. Bosa and Hendrickson were the other two. None of these players are cooked, this includes Garrett too.

How many times has Parsons led the league in sacks? 0 How many times was he second? 0 I think you get the point. He tied for 5th in sacks once in his career.

He could pop and become the guy, but he hasn’t done it yet. Outside linebacker/ defensive ends are paid for one thing, and that’s sacks.

Again, I’m not saying he’s bad. He’s not the best. Predictions are called educated guesses for a reason. We will see.

Do you think Cowboys hype may have him overrated?

 

[mtmuley]

My point? 1/2 a game? Worth it?

Parsons is no where near the player that Garrett is. Garrett crushes on the pass rush and run defense. Parsons is a pass rush specialist.

Surtain is a corner. Why did you include him?


What assessment? ESPN? “Their rankings are based on predicting potential greatness rather than past performance.” I won’t say I know more than them, but I know quite a bit. Played, coached, watched too much.

I tend to look at the past, and then ease into the future. Don’t get me wrong, Micah is awesome. Feel free to analyze the past. Have you looked at stats? How many times has he led the league in sacks or tfl’s? I first stated he’s not a “generational player,” as someone stated. In my opinion, you need to be transcendent to do that.

I’d say TJ could be… He’s led the league in sacks 3 out of 5 of the last years. Bosa and Hendrickson were the other two. None of these players are cooked, this includes Garrett too.

How many times has Parsons led the league in sacks? 0 How many times was he second? 0 I think you get the point. He tied for 5th in sacks once in his career.

He could pop and become the guy, but he hasn’t done it yet. Outside linebacker/ defensive ends are paid for one thing, and that’s sacks.

Again, I’m not saying he’s bad. He’s not the best. Predictions are called educated guesses for a reason. We will see.

Do you think Cowboys hype may have him overrated?

Have another Ranier. mtmuley

 

[Hem]

An elite QB with decent supporting cast will win over a decent defense with one superstar.
The Cowboys currently have an unproven " elite " QB, and now Jones decided to let Parsons go.
Doesn't seem too tactful, even though Jones always alludes to a " secret plan".
I wouldn't start planning SB tail gate Green Bay. Even more

 

[Birdbander]

Until proven otherwise, I'll take my home state Lions to win the NFC North, followed by GB, MN then Chicago.

 

[mtmuley]

An elite QB with decent supporting cast will win over a decent defense with one superstar.
The Cowboys currently have an unproven " elite " QB, and now Jones decided to let Parsons go.
Doesn't seem too tactful, even though Jones always alludes to a " secret plan".
I wouldn't start planning SB tail gate Green Bay. Even more

While I wish Parsons would have stayed, I am glad he stood up to that arrogant prick. mtmuley

 

[VikingsGuy]

Lions Vikings & Packers all have a path to win the North depending on how a few things break and staying healthy. 1, 2, 3 is a crap shoot. The only thing that is certain is the Bears with be 4. And probably the best 4 in the league. The NFC North will be quite interesting for the next 3-4 years.