Football General Talk

[mtmuley]

Lions Vikings & Packers all have a path to win the North depending on how a few things break and staying healthy. 1, 2, 3 is a crap shoot. The only thing that is certain is the Bears with be 4. And probably the best 4 in the league. The NFC North will be quite interesting for the next 3-4 years.

Predictions are just that. mtmuley

 

[Bonasababy]

I do not know what he thinks, but I think this is not good news for the Vikings. Not at all, unless the deal was crippling in some way with respect to draft picks, or something like that, down the road.

Kenny Clark was a very disruptive interior lineman...that will hurt the pack...as well as giving up the two high draft picks but that will come later.

We will see but given Parsons history and age and the lack of strong edge rushing recently for the pack I think it will prove good.

Overreach I know but reminds me of what the vikings gave up for Jared Allen....that worked out pretty well.

Thankfully the Vikings have one of the better tackle tandems in the league.

 

[Birdbander]

The Vikings were 0 - 2 in the playoffs while Jared Allen played I think. Certainly a great player though.

 

[mtmuley]

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We will see but given Parsons history and age

His age? He is 26. mtmuley

 

[Bonasababy]

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His age? He is 26. mtmuley

Exactly...

 

[mtmuley]

Exactly...

Point? mtmuley

 

[Wild Bill]

His age? He is 26. mtmuley

Yes. Thank you.

Also, please stop looking at sacks as the end all, be all. It’s like ERA for pitchers. It gives a glimpse, but never paints the whole picture.

Can he be better stopping the run, yes. But, he’s such an elite pass rusher, and so versatile in where he can line up and play from, he makes up for it. Also, no one cares because it’s not sacks, but he drops into coverage a ton and by all metrics he grades out fantastically in coverage. That allows the defense to disguise and line him up in a pass rush set and have him drop and cover. TE or flat or a middle short zone and potentially allows other free rushers.
Three time first team all pro in his first four seasons is no joke. Look up the list of guys that have done that.
Playing in Dallas has him more well known than some, but his play on the field speaks for itself.

 

[Wild Bill]

Exactly...

What’s the point? 26 is his prime. They’re getting him in his prime. What more do you want?
Also, he had a high ankle sprain last year. That’s it. He hasn’t missed time other than that.

 

[Wild Bill]

Also, idk why I’m defending the guy.
I bleed purple, for the love of God. He’s going to be a handful for a while. I think the Vikes will be able to weather him, and I hope he ruins the packers cap plans.
I hope I look like a fool for defending him.

 

[seeth07]

At this point in time, I'd agree though that he isnt "generational talent".

I was trying to think however what that list looks like. I guess you have to first define it and since we are talking about generations I think that means that you couldnt really have two at the same time unless two people of that level of talent happened to be playing in the same era.

There is no doubt that the last former generational talent would have to be Tom Brady right?

Before that Jerry Rice. And before him Walter Payton. Before that, Jim Brown. That covers the 60s to today with each player holding that title for around 15 years or so.

Patrick Mahomes is probably the one for our current time.

There are obviously a lot of players that were amazing between those four but if you expand the list, we aren't talking generational anymore. Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Barry Sanders, Butkis all come to mind.

 

[Gellar]

Barry sanders was generational talent that walked away from the game in his prime on the way to being the GOAT at the running back position.

 

[Gellar]

I’m enjoying all the hype on the packers and the harp on the cowboys but when it comes to it I still think the packers are third in the division with 9 or 10 wins. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Hammsolo]

Yes. Thank you.

Also, please stop looking at sacks as the end all, be all. It’s like ERA for pitchers. It gives a glimpse, but never paints the whole picture.

Can he be better stopping the run, yes. But, he’s such an elite pass rusher, and so versatile in where he can line up and play from, he makes up for it. Also, no one cares because it’s not sacks, but he drops into coverage a ton and by all metrics he grades out fantastically in coverage. That allows the defense to disguise and line him up in a pass rush set and have him drop and cover. TE or flat or a middle short zone and potentially allows other free rushers.
Three time first team all pro in his first four seasons is no joke. Look up the list of guys that have done that.
Playing in Dallas has him more well known than some, but his play on the field speaks for itself.

I, again, agree that his play says very good to almost great. Generational? What does that mean? I would interpret it meaning that his play defines a generation. That’s a big nope.

I hate the Rams, but I have to admit Aaron Donald was generational. He was a freaking game wrecker. Can you imagine if Garrett played in Dallas?

I explained before. You’re just being silly if you think sacks are overrated in the NFL though. They’re the end all be all for rush ends, combined with pressures. He’s not getting paid for coverage.

His lack of mass and ability to set the edge on rush plays is no coincidence. He’s fast and light on his feet.

 

[Hammsolo]

Barry sanders was generational talent that walked away from the game in his prime on the way to being the GOAT at the running back position.

He still was. Single most talented back ever. Definite wow factor.

 

[Hammsolo]

At this point in time, I'd agree though that he isnt "generational talent".

I was trying to think however what that list looks like. I guess you have to first define it and since we are talking about generations I think that means that you couldnt really have two at the same time unless two people of that level of talent happened to be playing in the same era.

There is no doubt that the last former generational talent would have to be Tom Brady right?

Before that Jerry Rice. And before him Walter Payton. Before that, Jim Brown. That covers the 60s to today with each player holding that title for around 15 years or so.

Patrick Mahomes is probably the one for our current time.

There are obviously a lot of players that were amazing between those four but if you expand the list, we aren't talking generational anymore. Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Barry Sanders, Butkis all come to mind.

Fun discussion! Walter Payton? Hmmm… He was a stud, but we better put Barry on the list then.

Montana has to be. He’s still widely considered the second best qb ever, with Mahomes coming on.

The Broncos fans are about to lose their mind on you…

Deion is a douche, but he’s the best corner to ever play the game. He also made you pucker when he returned kicks.

What about Moss? Is he the best receiver since Rice? I think so. Megatron was close in terms of talent, but Detroit struck him down too.

 

[Treeshark]

I would classify Reggie and LT as generational- arguably the best ever at their respective positions.

 

[BrentD]

Predictions are just that. mtmuley

What does that mean? Would you have it otherwise?

 

[mtmuley]

Deion is a douche

People that feel this way don't know what they are talking about and know nothing about Deion Sanders the person. mtmuley

 

[mtmuley]

What does that mean? Would you have it otherwise?

Have what otherwise? mtmuley

 

[BrentD]

People that feel this way don't know what they are talking about and know nothing about Deion Sanders the person. mtmuley

Not true. We know what and how he chooses to present himself. Same as you.