Death and Taxes

Wow! That cost me some brain cells watching that.
Then you are ready to run for office.

It seemed an objective inquiry into a messed up system. The summary basically is we pay for stuff and don't see the benefit, so we hate paying. The benefits go to the few rather to the many and any time the majority do benefit, the few scream "Socialism!".
 
Then you are ready to run for office.

It seemed an objective inquiry into a messed up system. The summary basically is we pay for stuff and don't see the benefit, so we hate paying. The benefits go to the few rather to the many and any time the majority do benefit, the few scream "Socialism!".
Not a chance in hell.
 
Like I said in another thread . The United Kingdom is in an economic death spiral. It's simple math. So is most of the other European countries. You and Jon Stewart can move there and see for yourself if you don't believe me.

I am well aware of the problems in the UK. None of them have anything to do with taxes. You are just buying into the "socialist" narrative that has been constructed in this country. The UK isn't pure socialism just like we are not a pure democracy. Everything exists on a continuum. Finding where we want to be is where discussion and debate come into play. Instead politicians just try to scare voters with boogieman-like topics and being anti-the other party. All the while, the corporations hire lobbyist to suck of off the tax-payer teat and aren't held accountable. The system can be improved.
 
I am well aware of the problems in the UK. None of them have anything to do with taxes. You are just buying into the "socialist" narrative that has been constructed in this country. The UK isn't pure socialism just like we are not a pure democracy. Everything exists on a continuum. Finding where we want to be is where discussion and debate come into play. Instead politicians just try to scare voters with boogieman-like topics and being anti-the other party. All the while, the corporations hire lobbyist to suck of off the tax-payer teat and aren't held accountable. The system can be improved.
Big government programs making promises they can't keep is why Europe is in the mess they are in. We do the same here. Administration is touting the big bump in SS payments while neglecting to mention that it is only that much closer to insolvency.
 
Big government programs making promises they can't keep is why Europe is in the mess they are in. We do the same here. Administration is touting the big bump in SS payments while neglecting to mention that it is only that much closer to insolvency.
That isn’t exactly the reason for their problems. Some of the cause goes right back to Brexit. But I do get your point and agree that these programs need to be shored up, but that goes back to debate and discussion. I’m pretty sure fascism is not the fix.
 
That isn’t exactly the reason for their problems. Some of the cause goes right back to Brexit. But I do get your point and agree that these programs need to be shored up, but that goes back to debate and discussion. I’m pretty sure fascism is not the fix.
I get it. You are a big government guy. If only we could collect more taxes to make these failing programs work like they should.
How much of my income would be enough to appease you? 50%? 60%?
 
That isn’t exactly the reason for their problems. Some of the cause goes right back to Brexit. But I do get your point and agree that these programs need to be shored up, but that goes back to debate and discussion. I’m pretty sure fascism is not the fix.

"It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the F word again...."
 
I get it. You are a big government guy. If only we could collect more taxes to make these failing programs work like they should.
How much of my income would be enough to appease you? 50%? 60%?
Not entirely true. I think the government (and every politician) should work for the people - All of them, not just the few with money and not corporations. I think the government should be used to do big things that individually would be impossible or capitalism would avoid for lack of a high enough near-term return. I am all for a smaller, more efficient government, but I haven't seen any progress toward that in my lifetime. All I have seen is a change on who gets the pieces of the tax pie.

I think the core purpose of those programs was admirable. It was to keep people from being impoverished after their working years. The funding problem arises from our lengthening life expectancy. Find me a politician that will address that. There is a solution - Basic medical care for free but none of the surgeries and none of the expensive, life-saving treatments. You pay for supplemental insurance for that stuff. No way that even gets discussed. The healthcare lobby and boomers would kill it.
 
Income tax is the single largest expense for many middle class families.

I wasn’t present in the 1770s, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the image our country was founded in

To be fair, the governments of the 1770-1780s was impoverished and had to scrap the Articles of Confederation to raise funds.
 
I'm a disputed boomer and think we should raise the age to collect Social Security to 67 or older. Rand Paul did try to address our increased life expectancy and raise the age requirement. Some disgruntled leftists tried to kill him.😁
I'm on board but stop blaming "leftists". There are three choices - Increase the effective age of eligibility, increase taxes on benefits, or increase payroll taxes. The people against those ideas are pretty much everyone, because they hurt. Eventually reality hits us all in the forehead like a 2x4 and we will have to do something. But find me a company hiring a 62yr old worker as a new-hire...
 
I'm on board but stop blaming "leftists". There are three choices - Increase the effective age of eligibility, increase taxes on benefits, or increase payroll taxes. The people against those ideas are pretty much everyone, because they hurt. Eventually reality hits us all in the forehead like a 2x4 and we will have to do something. But find me a company hiring a 62yr old worker as a new-hire...
Choice # 4. Work you ass off when you are young and able, and save some of it for your golden years. Didn't hurt me a bit.
 
Choice # 4. Work you ass off when you are young and able, and save some of it for your golden years. Didn't hurt me a bit.
You live in a bygone era. Have you seen what America looks like now?
Are you not worried about any unexpected medical expense? That is typically what kills any good retirement plan. That and living to 100.
 
You live in a bygone era. Have you seen what America looks like now?
Are you not worried about any unexpected medical expense? That is typically what kills any good retirement plan. That and living to 100.
Still better than spending more than you make and using credit to make up the difference your whole adult life
 

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