If you report that there is no pin they would know if one was ever supposed to be there or not. If it is missing they might remind one or both landowners not to mess with it again, since who else would have a reason to pull it.
I’m aware. It’s just gonna give some of us more work down the road re-establishing the corners that are being yanked out.
How do they prove exactly where I was.... innocent until proven guilty. I have a gps that show's I'm crossing at the corner with no intent on trespassing, what do they have? The landowner's calibrated memory of a property line that isn't physically marked and where I was standing? Fat chance...
Smart buyers know the reality - as for dumb buyers, well, ignorance is no excuse.
All im going to say is for the sake of yourself and anyone else wanting access in the corners - be sure of what youre doing.
I worked for my uncle one summer, land surveying. Every monument we set was exposed. These were all public land boundaries.
I suppose the argument would go . . . with accuracy of only +/- 12 feet you are statistically much more likely to have stepped on private than not. One of these days congress needs to fix this one way or the other for federal checkerboard, and the states for state.
^a lawyer...
I have had lots of properties surveyed and many times the onx corner or property line in the field is not where the gps overlay shows it. No connection with gps accuracy either. I would be thinking landowners might know this also at various obvious locations.
My personal experience confirms this. We have a number of different parcel acquired overtime in MN - each purchase required a survey confirmation - if I used ONX to cross my own corners I would miss every time - sometimes by a few feet and sometimes by 25+. And the county's satellite parcel maps that they make available on the web are even worse.
Separate discussion. I was responding to the "they can't prove it" argument.
That’s because onx just uses what the county provides. Not every GIS data base is submitted with same datum or sometimes other factors. Reason your phone might show your not standing on a known corner is coupled with data may be submitted in different format and pair that with your phone which is a resource grade gps. So your starting at maybe 10-15’ accuracy coupled with potential issues with data.
look at my example. That's a driveway on my property that onX states is not mine.
Haven't proved anything... you say probability, which is not certainty. Unless there is a physical corner, with a documented survey on how that corner is set, the basis of which it's set, everyone is just assuming its where it is and guessing whether I actually stepped on private or not. Short of the landowner standing next to me with a surveyor, or physically proving EXACTLY where I was standing and then having it legally surveyed, Pretty good odds that is a reasonable doubt.
Growing up in a Surveyor's household, I was slipping through sliver's of public land 20 years before OnX was even a thing, and now I've got zero problem crossing a corner in the states of 10th circuit until ruled otherwise. On a sidenote, I've seen plenty of survey markers set by PLS's that were completely off too...
