Corner crossing SCOTUS appeal

[44hunter45]

What makes me shake my head in all this is that his real case is against the real estate industry. They continue to sell the idea the buyer "controls" the checkerboard. This id fraud and should be prosecuted. Nothing like buying something the agent has no right to sell.

 

[BuzzH]

What makes me shake my head in all this is that his real case is against the real estate industry. They continue to sell the idea the buyer "controls" the checkerboard. This id fraud and should be prosecuted. Nothing like buying something the agent has no right to sell.

The buyers are just as guilty, due diligence and all that.

 

[golfer]

I talked with a landowner/outfitter, who has guys waiting to pay 5 figures. He said the corner pins in all the hot corners are disappearing.

So the landowners are pulling their own property corners?

 

[sneakem]

If the pins disappear or arent there just use your GPS and cross. No big deal a ND there isn't jack chit anyone can do about it.

The burden of proof falls on the landowner where there is not a corner. I just screen shot my crossings so I can dispute any claims…

 

[antelopedundee]

How far above the earth's surface do "airspace" rights extend? Different for say individuals vs nations?

 

[44hunter45]

The buyers are just as guilty, due diligence and all that.

Not disagreeing, just galls me to see ranch for sale ads touting exclusive access to public ground.

 

[seeth07]

How far above the earth's surface do "airspace" rights extend? Different for say individuals vs nations?

For a person physically on the ground, I would think this case now shows its no space.

For while in an airplane or other airborne device, the FAA does define "private airspace" restricting the usage

 

[Forkyfinder]

The burden of proof falls on the landowner where there is not a corner. I just screen shot my crossings so I can dispute any claims…View attachment 377673

The burden of proof is on a prosecutor to prove that you are guilty to 12 people. If theres not defined corner, how could you plausibly know where to cross and not trespass?

 

[44hunter45]

Do any of you trust OnX to be that accurate?

 

[Mallardsx2]

So the landowners are pulling their own property corners?

FYI - Its a felony.

 

[Treeshark]

Do any of you trust OnX to be that accurate?

Yes, I do. Accurate enough to prevent prosecution for trespassing anyway.

 

[brymoore]

Do any of you trust OnX to be that accurate?

Accurate enough for a strong court argument by my defense attorney.

 

[TOGIE]

Yes, I do. Accurate enough to prevent prosecution for trespassing anyway.

Exactly. No one can say you did and no one can say you didn't.

But, by using the best of information available at your disposal, I feel there is an argument that you did not.

A "reasonable person" is not doing a technical field survey to determine exact corner locations absent pins.

 

[TOGIE]

On this topic, and what I'm warning myself before I head north this fall with many a plan to hop: be damn sure there is no pin before you go hopping where you think there isn't one.

You might think there isn't one while it was just hard to find, then you can find yourself in trouble.

 

[SAJ-99]

Not disagreeing, just galls me to see ranch for sale ads touting exclusive access to public ground.

I don't think I have ever seen a real estate add that accurately depicted the description of what was being sold.

 

[Muskeez]

While walking in circles looking for such pin you could easily end up putting more footprints on private land than just going by your OnX map and keep moving.

 

[TOGIE]

While walking in circles looking for such pin you could easily end up putting more footprints on private land than just going by your OnX map and keep moving.

agreed.

but in the spirit of overanalyzing/thinking i would think there is a difference in looking for legal access and accidentally stepping on private while looking for a pin than plowing forward with the intent to hunt and stepping on private when there is a pin.

i'm definitely gonna look for pins and mostly do so during scouting trips. if i can't find any, i'll be documenting and crossing where it seems they should be.

 

[antelopedundee]

agreed.

but in the spirit of overanalyzing/thinking i would think there is a difference in looking for legal access and accidentally stepping on private while looking for a pin than plowing forward with the intent to hunt and stepping on private when there is a pin.

i'm definitely gonna look for pins and mostly do so during scouting trips. if i can't find any, i'll be documenting and crossing where it seems they should be.

Do you need a metal detector in order to find them? Who would you report a missing pin to?

Also are most common GPS units able to tell the difference in one foot of longitude or latitude?

 

[Treeshark]

Also are most common GPS units able to tell the difference in one foot of longitude or latitude?

No, probably not. But then again, neither is the technology that law enforcement relies on in the field.

 

[TOGIE]

Do you need a metal detector in order to find them? Who would you report a missing pin to?

Also are most common GPS units able to tell the difference in one foot of longitude or latitude?

what's your point?

all i'm saying is that i see a higher liability in crossing private land cause you missed the pin than doing your best when no pin is present. i'm gonna put a bit of effort into making sure i don't overlook pins.

i'm not gonna take the time to report missing pins, especially because how am i supposed to know one was ever present? if there is a like 2 inch diameter hole in the ground where it seems one should be maybe i'll let the local BLM office or GW know. i dunno. i don't really care.