Cattlemen debating public lands

[IdahoPotato]

This is a message board for cattlemen where they are discussing the new BLM head:

Advantage Cattle - New BLM

Some pretty inflammatory (to hunters) statements in there, but even some of these guys point out the value lost when public lands are sold. Interesting stuff.

 

[MattK]

After reading some of those comments...I realize the greed that individuals have and how near sighted some people have become. As long as I get mine...to hell with you attitude. I'm just glad previous generations weren't as big of A-holes as the current generation.

 

[noharleyyet]

...woof herding? Any proof it's that 'spensive?

 

[MTGomer]

The anti public land sentiment among ranchers makes no sense. I realize most ranchers are fairly well off but they aren’t well off enough to think they’re going to get a piece of the pie if things are privatized.

 

[IdahoPotato]

The anti public land sentiment among ranchers makes no sense. I realize most ranchers are fairly well off but they aren’t well off enough to think they’re going to get a piece of the pie if things are privatized.

That's a great point. Privatizing would end access to grazing permits and put a large number of little guys out of business. More mega corporate ranches would result and fewer warm bodies in the ranching business. Is that really what they want for their kids?

 

[BuzzH]

That's a great point. Privatizing would end access to grazing permits and put a large number of little guys out of business. More mega corporate ranches would result and fewer warm bodies in the ranching business. Is that really what they want for their kids?

They don't give a chit about their kids. Their kids play Nintendo like everyone else's and have no desire to work on the farm/ranch anymore (yeah broad generalization I know), but I see it all the time. Pretty rare to see kids working on the old family farm these days, more likely to see a bunch of central American/Mexico families doing all the heavy lifting. Either that or its automated.

 

[brockel]

They don't give a chit about their kids. Their kids play Nintendo like everyone else's and have no desire to work on the farm/ranch anymore (yeah broad generalization I know), but I see it all the time. Pretty rare to see kids working on the old family farm these days, more likely to see a bunch of central American/Mexico families doing all the heavy lifting. Either that or its automated.

Eastern Montana must be the exception then

 

[jake23]

At least there are some individuals on that site that realize that there would only be a handful of people that would benefit from privatizing all public lands. The ones who are arguing for it either have no dog in the fight (they don’t use public lands at all), or they think that they personally would somehow benefit from it.

I think it is probably human nature to be a little near sighted and only worry about what benefits you. I am sure we can all see ourselves doing that to some degree. Sometimes it is hard to take a step back and really think of the long term effects objectively.

 

[MTGomer]

Somebody that knows who Mr Wright is should use that USDA subsidies lookup tool to see how much welfare he’s received and respond to post #6

 

[Elkmagnet]

A bunch old fools who feel entitled. Thinking with a lot of I's, me's, us's and we's.

 

[IdahoPotato]

Somebody that knows who Mr Wright is should use that USDA subsidies lookup tool to see how much welfare he’s received and respond to post #6

The subsidy payments are a tough one to figure out, especially since the anti-fed sentiment is so strong in the ranching community.

 

[RockinU]

They don't give a chit about their kids. Their kids play Nintendo like everyone else's and have no desire to work on the farm/ranch anymore (yeah broad generalization I know), but I see it all the time. Pretty rare to see kids working on the old family farm these days, more likely to see a bunch of central American/Mexico families doing all the heavy lifting. Either that or its automated.

They must have way better margins than I do, it’s all hands on deck at my place when it’s time to work calves...

 

[brockel]

They must have way better margins than I do, it’s all hands on deck at my place when it’s time to work calves...

A lot of young kids around here running equipment haying and driving hay trucks around here this time of year

 

[Ben Lamb]

Mr. Wright is poorly informed on many issues it would seem. Most of the farmers & ranchers I've talked too are against Transfer. Once they understand how their bottom lines get affected, they tend to prefer the Taylor Grazing Act & cheap AUM's, even with the headaches that come along with public lands grazing.

 

[BuzzH]

Eastern Montana must be the exception then

Visit SE Idaho some time...

 

[Irrelevant]

Kids work in orchards around here until they graduate and don't have to. Then they don't. It's that simple.

I recognize that it's not really public land transfer related, but kids going into ag just ain't a thing around here.

 

[ShootsManyBullets]

Kids work in orchards around here until they graduate and don't have to. Then they don't. It's that simple.

I recognize that it's not really public land transfer related, but kids going into ag just ain't a thing around here.

Converting orchards to vacation homes for the Seattle Range Rover crowd is a thing around there

 

[Irrelevant]

Converting orchards to vacation homes for the Seattle Range Rover crowd is a thing around there

What's the difference in the end? You can't go into orchards, they're almost entirely deer fenced, and they spray enough chemicals to create a very sterile "environment" almost complete devoid of wildlife. I've argued that a suburban backyard is better for wildlife than an orchard. There at least there's the occasional bird nest or bees nest, a deer could walk through and nibble the roses.

 

[hank4elk]

No individual will be in running for these lands.It will be Exxon,BP,Norton,China.....maybe Tesla or another millenial thief?
I have lotsa Bundy lovers & welfare ranchers around me. Lotsa socialist farm & ranch programs & tax zemtions tho....

 

[COEngineer]

Some weird and wacky misinformation in some of those posts. For instance, " Even Colorado is only 1.4% Federal lands. " Last time I checked we were around 36%.

Glad we don't have any nutjobs on this forum