Ballot Initiative to End NR Big Game Hunting?

[RobertD]

I feel like this would be the ultimate F you to outfitters, absentee landowners and basically about half the users of this forum, scores of people who've put money towards conservation in Montana and any and every NR who did anything at all to oppose the same legislation I'm angry about

this is how I read your post

 

[mtmuley]

Montana residents would be crying when their tags and licenses go up in price dramatically to make up for the loss of non-res $$.

Not me. mtmuley

 

[Gr8bawana]

Not me. mtmuley

 

[DFS]

It’s a good discussion. Hunting personalities have also exploited a resource for personal gain from the public side. Many bad actors at play. Again it comes down to management but money has definitely changed the game.

 

[BenInMT]

this is how I read your post

Stay in Georgia we don’t need you or the benefit you think you bestow upon us.

 

[shoots-straight]

So I'd gather signatures to make sure the NR are capped to 17,500 ELk, and 17.500 Deer either sex tags. I'd venture to give out Cow tags at a rate that's around 10% of that of residents tag sales.

 

[Deleted member 20812]

I’d spend my time gathering the signatures to amend the law requiring FWP to manage at or below an arbitrarily determined population objective.

 

[Deleted member 20812]

After all of the shady legislative efforts I feel like this would be the ultimate F you to outfitters, absentee landowners and basically everyone who has tried to strip away what little we have left.

Trying to accomplish a lot of things and this kills a lot of birds with one stone. It’s not punitive.

Still trying to reconcile then contradiction here. You can at least be honest.

What exactly does this accomplish?

How in the world do you reconcile attempting to curtail hunter numbers when the state’s LAW requires FWP to kill more elk right now?

Even as a former resident and now NR, I’m fully behind doing what’s best for the resource. This doesn’t so anything positive. It wastes money and resources, and makes you look punitive and vindictive.

I’m not underestimating bitterness against NR. It’s nothing new and I saw it 20+ years ago. Put your petitions out to add the CI. It’ll be entertaining to watch.

 

[DFS]

Still trying to reconcile then contradiction here. You can at least be honest.

What exactly does this accomplish?

How in the world do you reconcile attempting to curtail hunter numbers when the state’s LAW requires FWP to kill more elk right now?

He’s trying to figure a path forward for hunting in Montana. I don’t agree but it is good discussion. If I thought it would help I would be all for it. Changes would have to be made much bigger than this to help things.

 

[RobertD]

Stay in Georgia we don’t need you or the benefit you think you bestow upon us.

I don't hunt Montana, so you don't have to worry about it. But wow you are making yourself look silly here.

 

[Deleted member 20812]

He’s trying to figure a path forward for hunting in Montana. I don’t agree but it is good discussion. If I thought it would help I would be all for it. Changes would have to be made much bigger than this to help things

I get he’s trying to find a path forward. That path does you no good if it takes you off a cliff.

 

[DFS]

I get he’s trying to find a path forward. That path does you no good if it takes you off a cliff.

I think we are at the cliff.

 

[Deleted member 20812]

I think we are at the cliff.

Well, by all means. This would pretty much finish things off.

 

[BenInMT]

How in the world do you reconcile attempting to curtail hunter numbers when the state’s LAW requires FWP to kill more elk right now?

This alone shows how out of touch you are with all of this. How many NRs are coming here to help control the population? How many of those shoulder season hunts, like them or not, have any NR participation AT ALL? It’s got to be less than 5%. I argue that Montanans can do any game management job we put our minds to, we don’t need outside help.

 

[BenInMT]

And of course if you are hawking the experience, hawking a podcast, hawking some kind of gear, a tag strategy service, a YouTube channel, private land outfitted hunts, giving tags to landowners that they can sell to non resident…. Of course you are against anything like this.

I am pretty sure no non resident is guaranteed anything in the MT constitution. I am pretty sure that no outfitter or landowner is guaranteed a steady flow of non residents to line their pockets. They have taken enough it is time to fight fire with fire.

 

[Deleted member 20812]

This alone shows how out of touch you are with all of this. How many NRs are coming here to help control the population? How many of those shoulder season hunts, like them or not, have any NR participation AT ALL? It’s got to be less than 5%. I argue that Montanans can do any game management job we put our minds to, we don’t need outside help.

You can make all the assumptions you want about me being out of touch. It’s actually funny.

To answer your question, IT DOESN’T matter. If I’m a rancher and I typically have NR hunters coming in to hunt cows, and you try to limit that, do you REALLY think that has any chance of flying? Even based on the perceived notion of it happening you will lose.

Now answer my question what this really does for the public land resident hunter?

Limit NR. I don’t care. Sell tags for either rifle or archery. Make them good only on Tuesday.

Keep hammering.

 

[BenInMT]

If I’m a rancher

I’m so happy for you that your forefathers were standing in the right spot when the federal government gave all the land away. That doesn’t mean you get to write the rules.

 

[RobertD]

What happens when big money donors lean on a group like RMEF to only spend in states that open doors to them as hunters?

 

[Deleted member 20812]

I’m so happy for you that your forefathers were standing in the right spot when the federal government gave all the land away. That doesn’t mean you get to write the rules.

You must be drunk. That was a hypothetical, Francis.

This has hit rock bottom…

 

[DFS]

You must be drunk. That was a hypothetical, Francis.

This has hit rock bottom…

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Rock bottom? It’s going to get worse.