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[SAJ-99]

But, you're still living under the fallacy that everyone is in competition with everyone else they work with.

Again, different perspective of union and at-will employee. In the corporate work, if you are upset with the arrangement you have with your employer you can leave, but you are competing everyone else that has a similar skill set. Life is a competition. Not improving yourself is not an option. Those that don't hope to learn through the osmosis of time, eventually falling victim to the Peter principle and reaching their level of incompetence.

I had no problem continuing the learning process while making important family events. I'm not sure that is necessarily a required trade off, but if it is I support the choice of the Family. But that isn't what we are even talking about. Hence my comment about watching Netflix.

 

[406dn]

And more money (if he knows how to negotiate for himself).

So, are you saying the default position of a company is to underpay an employee to the extent they can? We both know the answer.

 

[Treeshark]

So, are you saying the default position of a company is to underpay an employee to the extent they can? We both know the answer.

Underpay is subjective. Paying them the lowest amount possible while still retaining their services long term (if desired) would be a better description.

In other words, companies typically pay employees just enough so they don’t leave.

 

[Exhausted]

Company tries to maximize profit? Evil corporation.

Person tries to maximize profit? Saint, and good father/mother to boot.

Sounds like a bunch a commies in this thread.

Anyway, the stock market??

 

[Irrelevant]

It's why the only sustainable way to operate a business is to make the employees part owners.

 

[BuzzH]

Again, different perspective of union and at-will employee. In the corporate work, if you are upset with the arrangement you have with your employer you can leave, but you are competing everyone else that has a similar skill set. Life is a competition. Not improving yourself is not an option. Those that don't hope to learn through the osmosis of time, eventually falling victim to the Peter principle and reaching their level of incompetence.

I had no problem continuing the learning process while making important family events. I'm not sure that is necessarily a required trade off, but if it is I support the choice of the Family. But that isn't what we are even talking about. Hence my comment about watching Netflix.

Right, you leave then get criticized for not having loyalty to the company and "job hopping".

Again, you're also wrong, not everybody is in competition for a higher position or more money. I get that's a hard concept for some to get. Some reach a point where they find the balance they need, enough actually is enough.

I have turned down higher paid positions because I flat don't want an office job. I hate being chained to a desk every day, I want to work in the field. I also turned down a job a few years back to allow a younger employee to have the PFT position while I took the PSE 18-8 position. They have a career in front of them with wayyyy more challenges than I had in their place when I started. I'm about at the end of my career, why not give someone else a break? Competition for the sake of competition is pretty lame without giving it some thought.

Not everything is a competition and if that's how you live your life, that's pretty sad really.

 

[Irrelevant]

Not everything is a competition and if that's how you live your life, that's pretty sad really.

Except with capitalism all business is competitive. And when it's not, we regulate against it...

 

[Exhausted]

Right, you leave then get criticized for not having loyalty to the company and "job hopping".

Again, you're also wrong, not everybody is in competition for a higher position or more money. I get that's a hard concept for some to get. Some reach a point where they find the balance they need, enough actually is enough.

I have turned down higher paid positions because I flat don't want an office job. I hate being chained to a desk every day, I want to work in the field. I also turned down a job a few years back to allow a younger employee to have the PFT position while I took the PSE 18-8 position. They have a career in front of them with wayyyy more challenges than I had in their place when I started. I'm about at the end of my career, why not give someone else a break? Competition for the sake of competition is pretty lame without giving it some thought.

Not everything is a competition and if that's how you live your life, that's pretty sad really.

One is in a competition with everyone else simply because the company is going to compare one to every other available alternative regardless of whether that alternative ultimately would want the job.

 

[BuzzH]

You are in a competition with everyone else simply because the company is going to compare you to every other available alternative regardless of whether that alternative ultimately would want the job.

No, actually, I'm not. I don't give a chit what everyone else does or doesn't do.

I do my job well, meet targets, care about the people I work with and that's all there is. I don't compete with them, don't care to.

 

[BuzzH]

Except with capitalism all business is competitive. And when it's not, we USED TO regulate against it...

FIFY.

 

[TOGIE]

i think one of the overall points is being missed. that being, the capitalistic machine will do what it does, the large scale workforce dynamics will do what they do in response because they're a bunch of $*)Q!#@$ mindless animals, but in the backdrop of all that $*)Q!#@$ bullshitty chaos is me and many other younger folks like me, and we're gonna just do what we're gonna do, which is be happy where we're at and take what comes.

 

[Exhausted]

No, actually, I'm not. I don't give a chit what everyone else does or doesn't do.

I do my job well, meet targets, care about the people I work with and that's all there is. I don't compete with them, don't care to.

I didn't realize my post could be confused as talking about you personally. I've updated to make it more clear that I wasn't talking about you personally, but the generic person/worker we're discussing.

The younger employee from your example lost the competition to you (this time you, personally) before you removed yourself in the eyes of the company. Every promotion/change you personally turned town is a competition someone else lost until you turned it down.

Whether you call it comparison or competition, we are all competing in various capacities via others whether we like it or not. You've been successful enough to ignore that fact, but many of us are not in that same situation.