your wild game isn't organic

[2rocky]

In the Spirit of stirring the pot.....


Organic is a label that requires certification. Farms and ranches pay to have that label and provide backup paperwork for it. Even if your critter comes from Public land, there is still commercial fertilizer and pesticides used ( noxious weeds)

Hear it from your buddy Steve....

 

[mevertsen]

I don't watch or listen to him, however all kinds of things wild animals get which would not pass a USDA inspection.

Various untreated infections, broken bones and healed over wounds, pneumonia, CWD, EHD, tulemeria, all kinds of potential nasty stuff.
I think we've seen pics of odd stuff found in game here.

We can't control where and what they eat, or hazards they encounter on a daily basis.

 

[Nick87]

I had s guy tell me his wife will only eat organic and thats why he was deer hunting. I didnt say anything but around here a deers diet is about as organic as a steer in a feedlot, considering the amount of agriculture we have here.

 

[RealMuddyboots]

Dam, just reread title. Thought it said wild game was orgasmic. Gotta remember my readers.

 

[Hunting Wife]

Data show increasing insecticide levels in Minnesota deer

A second year of testing by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources found increased levels of neonicotinoid insecticide in white-tailed deer.

www.mprnews.org

 

[TOGIE]

definitely not relevant to every species in every part of the country.

Plenty of elk and mule deer in this country that never touch an ag field.

Caribou?

Nobody is arguing they’re upper case Organic but alot of that stuff is about as free ranging and organic as it gets

 

[S.Dak Drifter]

Organic is a misinterpreted term, free range fits our quarry better.

 

[Rogerdoger]

All my animals I have got definitely died of lead poisoning.

 

[RealMuddyboots]

All my animals I have got definitely died of lead poisoning.

copper is used as a biocide....especially at 3,000fps.

 

[Brad]

Well, one thing for sure - unlike their penned counterparts, wild game isn't jacked up with antibiotics. 80% of all antibiotics are used in animal agriculture...

 

[Mustangs Rule]

All my animals I have got definitely died of lead poisoning.

The amount of lead in game animals shot with lead core high velocity bullets would never even come close to passing current heath standards for toxic heavy metals. Big Game animals shot with lead shotgun slugs and lead muzzle loader bullets would do much better. It is an issue micro fragmentation.
Since copper bullets fragment at the lowest possible level they not an issue, plus in small amounts of copper are naturally needed by our body for healthy functioning. Lead on the other hand does not have the slightest positive function, totally negative even at tiny amounts.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

In the Spirit of stirring the pot.....


Organic is a label that requires certification. Farms and ranches pay to have that label and provide backup paperwork for it. Even if your critter comes from Public land, there is still commercial fertilizer and pesticides used ( noxious weeds)

Hear it from your buddy Steve....

What you have done is "Open up a can of worms".

Not that many years ago i had a hay farm. My last one i should say, also i grew up on a dairy farm. So many toxic issues are involved in agriculture, nitrogen fertilizer, antibiotics in feed, plus things like allowing varmint shooting on crop land.

I bought this last farm from an elderly couple who never allowed shooting ground squirrels on their farm out of concern for lead built up in the soil, which over time has been proven to become such a huge problem that earthworms and the robins that eat them are high in lead.

They live trapped ground squirrels and welcomed foxes, bobcats, coyotes, and birds of prey on their land.

The herbicides used on timber land are bad news too. Also highly suspected as being a critical factor in the chain of causation of elk hoof rot.

I stopped hunting on AG land ages ago, doing all my hunting in wilderness areas free of cattle, as much as possible.

The problem with corporate controlled America is that we give chemicals the same rights as citizens, "Innocent until proven guilty".

Quite the opposite of many European countries where chemicals are considered guilty until proven, safe and innocent.

 

[LuketheDog]

In the Spirit of stirring the pot.....


Organic is a label that requires certification. Farms and ranches pay to have that label and provide backup paperwork for it. Even if your critter comes from Public land, there is still commercial fertilizer and pesticides used ( noxious weeds)

Hear it from your buddy Steve....

He's not wrong, I'd bet the vast majority of whitetails graze daily or at least weekly in ag fields treated with some sort of fertilizer or pesticides, as do many mule deer and elk. There's a chance some of the big game critters I've killed have probably hit an alfalfa field at some point, but I'd bet most of them haven't even done that much. When I used to shoot pigs in CA many of those had likely fed in a vineyard. I love it when we have fishing and hunting clients at the lodge from the East half of the country who tell me our wilderness elk and deer don't taste nearly as good as their "corn-fed" whitetails...

 

[LuketheDog]

I bought this last farm from an elderly couple who never allowed shooting ground squirrels on their farm out of concern for lead built up in the soil, which over time has been proven to become such a huge problem that earthworms and the robins that eat them are high in lead.

I would LOVE to see the study that backs this up, I have a real hard time believing that isn't more than a .001%-type of situation. In my mind it would take a whole lot of lead bullets to contaminate an entire field...

 

[Redmt]

What you have done is "Open up a can of worms".

Not that many years ago i had a hay farm. My last one i should say, also i grew up on a dairy farm. So many toxic issues are involved in agriculture, nitrogen fertilizer, antibiotics in feed, plus things like allowing varmint shooting on crop land.

I bought this last farm from an elderly couple who never allowed shooting ground squirrels on their farm out of concern for lead built up in the soil, which over time has been proven to become such a huge problem that earthworms and the robins that eat them are high in lead.

They live trapped ground squirrels and welcomed foxes, bobcats, coyotes, and birds of prey on their land.

The herbicides used on timber land are bad news too. Also highly suspected as being a critical factor in the chain of causation of elk hoof rot.

I stopped hunting on AG land ages ago, doing all my hunting in wilderness areas free of cattle, as much as possible.

The problem with corporate controlled America is that we give chemicals the same rights as citizens, "Innocent until proven guilty".

Quite the opposite of many European countries where chemicals are considered guilty until proven, safe and innocent.

Very interesting thought on lead in the ground from shooting ground squirrels. We switched to .17hmr because of the lessened ricochet. Never thought about lead contamination in the soil.

 

[Akcabin]

Yeah right. Because government says so. Well maybe in this guys way of thinking. Not mine
I'll believe what I want

 

[Mustangs Rule]

I would LOVE to see the study that backs this up, I have a real hard time believing that isn't more than a .001%-type of situation. In my mind it would take a whole lot of lead bullets to contaminate an entire field...

Open the topic yourself, just start some basic research, ask basic questions and be amazed. In 2013 for example, 69,000 metric tons of lead were used in America just for ammunition alone.

The figures for Europe are about 40,000 metric tons of lead every year for ammunition. Most of this goes to shooting ranges yet still, the huge tonnage dispersed by shooting over all our land every year is just mind blowing.

 

[RealMuddyboots]

 

[Mustangs Rule]

Very interesting thought on lead in the ground from shooting ground squirrels. We switched to .17hmr because of the lessened ricochet. Never thought about lead contamination in the soil.

This issue really is a "No Brainer". We don't need some anti-hunter trying to rub our nose in it. All I have to do is think about how many hundreds of rounds of .222 lead ammo I loaded for my Sako Vixen every year and along with my buddies went shooting ground squirrels, and woodchucks, or rockchucks, year after year, decade after decade, for a half century on Ag land and everywhere else and do some basic math after thinking about how many other hunters, shooters were doing the same thing.

 

[Redmt]

This issue really is a "No Brainer". We don't need some anti-hunter trying to rub our nose in it. All I have to do is think about how many hundreds of rounds of .222 lead ammo I loaded for my Sako Vixen every year and along with my buddies went shooting ground squirrels, and woodchucks, or rockchucks, year after year, decade after decade, for a half century on Ag land and everywhere else and do some basic math after thinking about how many other hunters, shooters were doing the same thing.

Luckily I'm only contaminating a relatively small area.