Wyoming wilderness guide rule poll

[Deleted member 20812]

No voter fraud......

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

 

[Jape]

"Not enough dirt pilgrim. Saw it right off."

 

[noharleyyet]

No voter fraud......

Will there be research and homework?

 

[NEWHunter]

"Not enough dirt pilgrim. Saw it right off."

Weren’t no griz left anyhow

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Gold jacket...green jacket who gives a chit.
I still vote tho.

 

[Ben Sellers]

If it was to protect greenhorns and pilgrims, it would apply to hikers in some form as well.

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

@JLS you more of an IPA guy... probably important info to disclose at this point

 

[Deleted member 20812]

If it was to protect greenhorns and pilgrims, it would apply to hikers in some form as well.

Absolutely correct! I can fish all summer long in the Thorofare and no one worries a bit. As soon as I pick up a smoke pole I need a babysitter.

 

[Deleted member 20812]

@JLS you more of an IPA... probably important info to disclose at this point

 

[geetar]

Pretty confident it has very little to do with protecting hunters in Wyoming or Alaska and a lot more to do with the outfitters being in tight with the lawmakers. Anyone can correct me if I’m wrong but the logic behind this thinking is I know a group of guys who climbed Denali DIY but I cannot hunt sheep,goats, or moose in Alaska without a guide or next of kin. This was serious stuff so much that they were roped together in case one fell in crevaces the others could pull them out.

 

[LopeHunter]

If it was to protect greenhorns and pilgrims, it would apply to hikers in some form as well.

Heck, I enter the WY wilderness to fish, bird watch, hike, run an ultramarathon, camp, whittle, rock climb, geocache, star gaze, tree hug, take pictures, set my Fantasy Football line up for the week's games, hop for days on a pogostick to set a Guinness World Record, be one with those that walk along the treetops, read a good book, etc. I just am not allowed to return to my vehicle at the trailhead to get my weapon to then walk back into that same wilderness to hunt.

There was a thinning of the outfitter herd in 2008-12 and expect the thinning will be more severe this Recession since costs for outfitters keep going up with the minimum wage law change, liability insurance, land leases and taking care of horses and tack. I suppose the big cattle operations can run outfitting as a side gig but the outfitters that have to make a year of living revenues from start of pronghorn to late season hunts will be challenged. Just finding competent labor that knows how to guide and is willing to work long-term for not much more than 2x minimum wage and likely no health coverage or other benefits has to be tough. The best outfitted hunts will still sell during a deep Recession so sheep, goat, moose, 350+ class elk and 180+ class mule deer. The rest of the hunts will see demand fall off which in turn hurts an outfitter needing to have 20 or more hunts lined up each autumn. Hunters walk away from deposits during a downturn. There were some good deals in AK in 2009 and 2010.

Anyway, the Wilderness Rule is crappy though so is $150 point only fees for hunts that take decades to have more than 1% chance to draw.

 

[Gerald Martin]

I just voted to up my post count and ingratiate myself to the cool boys club. I ain’t skeered of skinning griz neither .

 

[EYJONAS!]

Haha I'm glad i'm not the 1 that voted pro pilgrim.......I think they should do the same thing in the ul units.........

 

[Deleted member 20812]

Haha I'm glad i'm not the 1 that voted pro pilgrim.......I think they should do the same thing in the ul units.........

Was that @Eric Albus ?

 

[MTGomer]

Pretty confident it has very little to do with protecting hunters in Wyoming or Alaska and a lot more to do with the outfitters being in tight with the lawmakers. Anyone can correct me if I’m wrong but the logic behind this thinking is I know a group of guys who climbed Denali DIY but I cannot hunt sheep,goats, or moose in Alaska without a guide or next of kin. This was serious stuff so much that they were roped together in case one fell in crevaces the others could pull them out.

You can hunt moose without a guide. Not goats or sheep.

 

[Nameless Range]

For the few that do support it, I would like them to show their work.

I don't think it is at all obvious that nonresidents, who plan all year and dedicate long chunks of time to individual hunts, are any less capable than locals, and if we could somehow aggregate and review the data comparing nonresidents to residents, and normalize that data by hunter hours, that we would see that nonresidents get in trouble in the backcountry at greater rates than the locals.

Even if it were true I wouldn't find the law to be just, but their argument seems void of data.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

this Recession

Were in a recession?

 

[rmyoung1]

You can hunt moose without a guide. Not goats or sheep.

Or griz/brown bears

 

[Deleted member 20812]

For the few that do support it, I would like them to show their work.

I’m be known a few WY residents who supported simply because they felt it gave them somewhere to escape the NR hunters. I question this logic, but to each their own.