WY HB286

[BuzzH]

Legislatures have already given game commissioners authority to create seasons and quotas.

You indicated above you approve of this bill where legislatures will directly make radical changes to big game seasons (eliminating them altogether for this species) and big game quotas (eliminating them altogether for this species.)

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game seasons and quotas instead of commissioners...or just you?

I think you should try some remedial comprehension courses...

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I think you should try some remedial comprehension courses...

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game seasons and quotas instead of commissioners...or just you?

 

[BuzzH]

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game seasons and quotas instead of commissioners...or just you?

Try reading again, you know what was actually in the reply.

Not your imaginary pretend.

As a refresher, I asked you if you were taking 15-29 of your friends out to kill lions this year.

I then reminded you that legislatures have the ability to strip authority from the commission.

The commissions also can't unilaterally do things arbitrarily without being granted authority by the legislature. For an example, raising license fees in Wyoming, the legislature must give that authority to the commission.

Like it or not, that's how it works outside of fantasyland.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Try reading again, you know what was actually in the reply.

Not your imaginary pretend.

As a refresher, I asked you if you were taking 15-29 of your friends out to kill lions this year.

I then reminded you that legislatures have the ability to strip authority from the commission.

The commissions also can't unilaterally do things arbitrarily without being granted authority by the legislature. For an example, raising license fees in Wyoming, the legislature must give that authority to the commission.

Like it or not, that's how it works outside of fantasyland.

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game SEASONS and QUOTAS instead of commissioners...or just you?

 

[BuzzH]

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game SEASONS and QUOTAS instead of commissioners...or just you?

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Buzz, you know that this bill is the legislature's attempt to bypass the commission to drastically change seasons and quotas for a big game species based on private interests. You know this. You support this.

So again:

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game seasons and quotas instead of commissioners...or just you?

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz, you know that this bill is the legislature's attempt to bypass the commission to drastically change seasons and quotas for a big game species based on private interests. You know this. You support this.

So again:

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game seasons and quotas instead of commissioners...or just you?

Taking your imaginary pretend to places it's never been before.

Impressive.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Buzz, you know that this bill is the legislature's attempt to bypass the commission to drastically change seasons and quotas for a big game species based on private interests. You know this. You support this.

So again:

Just so that we're all clear on this: Is it the official position of BHA that state legislatures should write game seasons and quotas instead of commissioners...or just you?

Id have to imagine - just buzz - and im not sure he ever outlined his position anyway?

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Id have to imagine - just buzz - and im not sure he ever outlined his position anyway?

His position is that bypassing the commission is acceptable if the end result is something he and BHA wants.

Raising tag prices and setting seasons and quotas are two different things, and he knows this, but won't acknowledge this.

He dug himself into a corner just trying to be argumentative, and now won't acknowledge he and the organization he is president of are fine with legislatures bypassing the commission.

 

[BuzzH]

His position is that bypassing the commission is acceptable if the end result is something he and BHA wants.

Raising tag prices and setting seasons and quotas are two different things, and he knows this, but won't acknowledge this.

He dug himself into a corner just trying to be argumentative, and now won't acknowledge he and the organization he is president of are fine with legislatures bypassing the commission.

Do you author children's fairytale's?

If not, you should.

 

[wytex]

All for trapping and no we don't need to harvest the meat, treat them like the predators they are.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Do you author children's fairytale's?

If not, you should.

Cool.

Answer the question.

 

[BuzzH]

Cool.

Answer the question.

I don't answer questions about fairytale's or your imagination.

Can't help you.

 

[appaloosa]

This is a dogshit bill from a representative who's still butthurt about being removed from the Game and Fish Commission. The Legislature has no business directing the Game a Fish Department to modify their management strategies. Wildlife should be managed by professionals, not politicians.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

This is a dogshit bill from a representative who's still butthurt about being removed from the Game and Fish Commission. The Legislature has no business directing the Game a Fish Department to modify their management strategies. Wildlife should be managed by professionals, not politicians.

Yes...many here don't understand that. To them, if the ends justify the means, it's fine...unless it is something they don't want.

 

[BuzzH]

All for trapping and no we don't need to harvest the meat, treat them like the predators they are.

I agree, trapping should be a legal means of take. License still required and quotas.

No reason hound hunters should have the market cornered.

I would be way more into trapping a lion than shooting another one out of a tree.

 

[JM77]

This is a dogshit bill from a representative who's still butthurt about being removed from the Game and Fish Commission. The Legislature has no business directing the Game a Fish Department to modify their management strategies. Wildlife should be managed by professionals, not politicians.

I'd hold back a little on the harsh criticism towards Schmid. He is one of the few G&F Commissioners who truly listened and asked questions of me in 40+ years of involvement with these kinds of issues. Has it crossed your mind this bill is a wake up call to G&F that something needs to change, even if only temporarily, with lion management?

I was a dedicated lion hunter for 15 years and it has been routine for the G&F to use information gathered from houndsman to manage lions. They truly do not know how many there are. They are beginning to understand that unlimited quotas, year long seasons and harvest rates don't affect the populations of big cats in many areas of Wyoming. Folks sympathetic with the plight of mule deer in Wyoming are fed up with the lack of willingness to put more pressure on lions. Maybe, this bill will move that needle. Trust me, from my 15 years of experience hunting lions, they kill a lot of mule deer. I'm frankly tired of G&F providing enough lions to satisfy houndsman who care only about having a track to run every time they go looking. Our mule deer herds are at record lows for modern times in many areas and that makes every doe mortality a big deal.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

It's incredible to me that hunters still point to lions as the culprit for declining mule deer populations when WY has winter kills with 30-50% doe mortality and 100% fawn mortality in recent years.

If lions weren't the issue when deer populations were better and lion quotas existed, then exterminating them won't solve the winterkill problem.

If your feet are cold because you aren't wearing boots, putting on an extra pair of gloves won't solve the problem.

Mule deer death rates deepen in western Wyoming - WyoFile

One of Wyoming’s flagship mule deer herds has lost more than half of its animals to an unusual inverted snowpack that’s still killing scores of animals

wyofile.com

 

[JM77]

It's incredible to me that hunters still point to lions as the culprit for declining mule deer populations when WY has winter kills with 30-50% doe mortality and 100% fawn mortality in recent years.

I've never heard a single person blame lions as the reason for declining mule deer herds. I've heard many include them as one of the many reasons.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I've never heard a single person blame lions as the reason for declining mule deer herds. I've heard many include them as one of the many reasons.