List the native wildlife species you deem acceptable in the world.

[mevertsen]

Remember, hunters are the first conservationists.

But many are calling for the eradication of all predators, native predators.

Doesn't sound very conservationist to me.

What does that mean?

Where does it end?

Why do we need to have more deer and less of others?

Why is it bad to see a coyote or lion.

I'll start.

On lands in Nevada...

Get rid of

Feral horses
Chukar
Huns
Snowcock
Mountain goats
All other introduced and non-native game species.

Allow for a balance of all native species, to include mule deer, elk, pronghorn, sheep coyotes, lions, bobcats and all other native species that were likely here before white man got here.

Im also not one that needs to kill a deer every year.

I also recognize whatever level we had at whatever time we look at, we won't likely have again. We have the here and now.

In regards to predators, we need a lid on them, but calling for the elimination of a species just makes us hunters look like bafoons.

We also have a limit of how many deer can survive and thrive in this environment.

 

[Birdbander]

Is this a race to crazy?
Ok, I'll go.
Erase all humans, the planet presumably did fine before humans existed.
Did I win?

 

[mevertsen]

Is this a race to crazy?
Ok, I'll go.
Erase all humans, the planet presumably did fine before humans existed.
Did I win?

I'm already crazy, so I beat you there.

 

[geetar]

If there were any peaks high enough in my state I would take the non native goats you wanna get rid of.

 

[JohnCushman]

In before the lock.....

 

[mevertsen]

If there were any peaks high enough in my state I would take the non native goats you wanna get rid of.

Mountain goat cull back on for fall - JacksonHolePress

Grand Teton National Park will continue a multi-year program to eradicate non-native mountain goats as part of a management plan aimed to conserve a native and vulnerable population of Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep in the Teton Range.

jacksonholepress.com

Mountain Goat Capture and Translocation - Olympic National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

Its been done before.

 

[mevertsen]

In before the lock.....

Quite an extensive list.

 

[geetar]

Mountain goat cull back on for fall - JacksonHolePress

Grand Teton National Park will continue a multi-year program to eradicate non-native mountain goats as part of a management plan aimed to conserve a native and vulnerable population of Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep in the Teton Range.

jacksonholepress.com

Mountain Goat Capture and Translocation - Olympic National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

It's been done before.

Yea I've seen that. Not sure how I feel about it as I don't know enough about it. I was more joking about my state taking them. I'm an easterner and we don't have the mountains to even hold the goats but I do think it'd be cool to live in a place that did and can't imagine wanting to get rid of them but I'm not a biologist. Just a hunter and wildlife observer.

 

[mevertsen]

Yea I've seen that. Not sure how I feel about it as I don't know enough about it. I was more joking about my state taking them. I'm an easterner and we don't have the mountains to even hold the goats but I do think it'd be cool to live in a place that did and can't imagine wanting to get rid of them but I'm not a biologist. Just a hunter and wildlife observer.

Understood.

I left the OP in kind of a passive aggressive type manner on purpose. Ive been reading some different books. Looking into the history of game species in my state, how things were, game species wise 100 plus years ago.

If for anything, it has opened my eyes to what we have, what we've had, and maybe a peep into what the future may hold.

 

[geetar]

Understood.

I left the OP in kind of a passive aggressive type manner on purpose. Ive been reading some different books. Looking into the history of game species in my state, how things were, game species wise 100 plus years ago.

If for anything, it has opened my eyes to what we have, what we've had, and maybe a peep into what the future may hold.

Reading history definitely makes you ask questions about where we've been, where we are, and where we are going so I get that too.

 

[rogerthat]

If you really want to open a giant can of worms include fish in this discussion. Some of the most loved species of the west are non-native invasive mofo’s

 

[R.K.]

Eradicate ticks and mosquitoes. The rest of the natives? Manage to appropriate levels to avoid extinction, but also avoid boom/bust cycles from overgrazing or over predation. I’d prefer to manage to the maximum perpetually sustainable wild food harvest.

If you really want to open a giant can of worms include fish in this discussion. Some of the most loved species of the west are non-native invasive mofo’s

Brown trout. Rainbows. Golden trout. Bass and walleye. The list goes on.

But also Pheasants. Holy hell- people really hate all imports until you mention ditch parrots.

 

[glass eye]

Since ELK were introduced into Nevada, better eradicate them too.

 

[NR_Hunter]

I’ve sent a lot of videos of coyotes to my friends under my deer stand and not shooting them just to be annoying. And they really do get annoyed.

My best video was a coyote that I caught on the road between two ponds that went for about 200 yards. Sumbitch has nowhere to run except away. So I sent a video driving behind it right on its ass until it got to the end of the pond and ran off into the ditch. That one rustled some jimmies.

 

[RealMuddyboots]

Great Lakes:
Zebra mussels
Sea Lamprey
Goby
Quagga mussels
Phragmites
King salmon - sometimes the cool ones too.
Coho salmon
Pink salmon
Carp - all species

Florida:
Have family down there so as nod to their probs
Pythons all species
Crocs
So many fish hard to list
Birds up the whazoo; sparrows prob best example.

Plant life: the list is too long

Insects: hitchhikers on trees and plants. Wiping out traditional trees.

And the worst of the bunch was "Johnny Appleseed"!

How many of us have transplanted something not native without single consideration to the effect of invasive or non native species?

Definitions:
1) non-native (or alien) to the ecosystem under consideration and,

2) whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health.

Non-native species are plants and animals living in areas where they do not naturally exist. "Non-native species" and "invasive species" can not be used interchangeably.

The world has become really small and the movement of all species can occur through so many different vectors. The company I retired from had an international warehouse in CA. They had a "glory board" on one wall where insects of the weirdest description were pinned. OMG! Looked like alien invasion. Shipping containers are gassed during transport so the hitchhikers are all hopefully killed. Always exciting to find a new board entry! Once a cat was found and still alive. Not sure how it made it off the menu since originated in China.

The only thing we can do is slow it down. I don't see how what I call non native dispersion can be stopped in entirety. Too many unprotected avenues for critters to take a ride.

 

[mevertsen]

If you really want to open a giant can of worms include fish in this discussion. Some of the most loved species of the west are non-native invasive mofo’s

Accounted for "all non-native introduced game species" in the OP

 

[mevertsen]

Since ELK were introduced into Nevada, better eradicate them too.

Native. Not introduced until after they were extirpated.

 

[mevertsen]

Eradicate ticks and mosquitoes. The rest of the natives? Manage to appropriate levels to avoid extinction, but also avoid boom/bust cycles from overgrazing or over predation. I’d prefer to manage to the maximum perpetually sustainable wild food harvest.



Brown trout. Rainbows. Golden trout. Bass and walleye. The list goes on.

But also Pheasants. Holy hell- people really hate all imports until you mention ditch parrots.

Agreed.

NDOW has done a lot of work lately to restore Lahontan Cutthroat Trout into native waters.

 

[Greybeard]

Here in Texas, we have a huge population of non-native exotics that roam wild like feral hogs, aoudad, nilgai, axis deer, blackbuck antelope, mouflon sheep, and some would say elk. I love to, or would love to hunt every single one of these species. If I had a magic wand and could eliminate them all, I would not.
As far as predators, I don't have a problem with any of them, as long as the population is managed.

 

[glass eye]

In NZ the Minister of Conservation wants to eradicate every introduced species including trout. She began her war against the Himalayan Tahr (endangered in the Himalayas) named by kiwis "Tahrmegeddon"

These "Greenies" tend to go too far.

When I was on top of Haleakala on Maui, I was looking at the the large 3D map in the center of the visiting center. A National Park employee started a conversation with us and I asked her about some of the trails. She mentioned how this one trail had the most beautiful bamboo forest and then she suddenly stops herself and apologizes for calling bamboo beautiful because it's a non-native plant.