Wildife Task force 90-10, etc.

[Deleted member 16014]

Question 8d – Landowner License Program Changes under Consideration. (Excerpts from Chapter 44)

“If the Commission determines that any hunt area is over objective for the type of landowner license requested, landowner licenses shall be issued without regard to the quota established by the Commission and shall be in addition to the quota set by the Commission.” This language addresses those hunt areas that are overpopulated and the Commission wishes to harvest all the animals in the objective, but not enough licenses are sold to ensure the herd goals are met. Then it would be of assistance to issue additional landowner licenses. Should the Wyoming Wildlife Taskforce recommend this change to the Wyoming Game and Fish Commission?

Is this actually an issue of not enough licenses issued, or rather an issue of landowners not wanting the dregs of the regular draw to hunt their land?

My comment was along those lines. Areas for which type 4,6, and 7 licenses are needed to reduce herds largely have the license base. If not, the structure is already in place to do so.
I read it as another attempt to muddy the water between antlerless harvest to reduce populations, and either sex landowner licenses.

 

[Deleted member 18333]

New(ish) batch of material for comment on the Taskforce website if you haven't seen it. It is worth commenting.

Taskforce Site

It wont let me comment without login into my google account. Turns out changing your pw to google$ucks will get your account suspended.

 

[Alabama]

WapitiBob and Archer86, I'm not following, I don't see anything about points in the new(ish) proposals. Did I just overlook it?

 

[Archer86]

WapitiBob and Archer86, I'm not following, I don't see anything about points in the new(ish) proposals. Did I just overlook it?

It's on the agenda for the next meeting as a discussion point. So where it will go from there only the wyoga task force really knows. It's not up for public comment yet.

 

[ccc23454]

My response about price increases mentioned costs of points should be factored in to overall cost of tag.

 

[Addicting]

Sy is going to write a book after this about the good idea fairy and making your wallet fat.

 

[rwc101]

 

[Washington Hunter]

From the SNS website:

Wyoming Wildlife Task Force: August 2022 update and the Grand Compromise​

29 August 2022

On Monday, August 8th, the Grand Compromise (GC) came to a final debate and vote. The Grand Compromise was the attempt to consider possible changes or solutions to the ongoing battle surrounding attempts to change our current quota splits and draw odds for resident hunters. The Grand Compromise was made up of 6 distinctive propositions. It was my understanding or belief that the GC would be voted on as an all or nothing vote. When the GC was brought up on the agenda, it was decided by the chairman to take each proposition up separately starting with the less controversial items first.



The task force first considered proposition’s 1, 3, 4 and 5. These items were a bonus point system for residents on elk, deer and antelope. A waiting period for residents of 3 years after drawing a hard to draw license and would give a 24-hour head start on drawing left over tags for residents. The 3-year waiting period and 24-hour head start were both advanced to receive more public comment.



At this point, the only two items left to be considered by the task force was proposition #6 which was the “outfitter draw” and proposition #2 which was the 90/10 on hard to draw areas and 85/15 on the rest of the limited quota areas for elk, deer and antelope. The comments received by the task force through the task force website, showed virtually no support for an outfitter draw. Our efforts to generate emails directly to task force members was extremely successful and generated close to 250 very well written emails in favor of an “outfitter draw”. However, it was apparent the task force received more negative comments against an outfitter draw. Proposition #2, which would have changed quota splits, also received more comments favoring our current system and fewer in favor of reducing non-resident license opportunities.



At this point of the meeting, I had to make a quick decision and I couldn’t take the chance of a motion to kill proposition #6 for the outfitter draw and leave proposition #2 still on the table as the last item to be debated and voted on. I felt proposition #2 would be voted down, but I wasn’t certain that it would be, and frankly, our industry couldn’t survive with reduced non-resident quotas and no “outfitter draw”. We would be doomed.



I made the motion to reject proposition #2 and #6 and it was quickly seconded by Adam Teten. The vote was taken with no discussion and passed by a 13-1 margin. Senator Hicks was out of the room in the bathroom when the motion was made.



This means the 90/10 threat on elk, deer and antelope is dead and I believe for a very, very long time. This was so well vetted with significant amounts of comments taken and it didn’t receive any clear-cut majority of support from residents. The “outfitter draw” is also dead and I am of course disappointed, but it would have been a heavy lift in the legislature especially with virtually no resident support. I felt the best move was to kill both propositions in one motion.



The task force did send to the Wyoming Game & Fish Com

mission the proposal to remove the 7,250 cap on non-resident elk licenses. This was voted on and passed unanimously by the commission to take it out for further comments and be voted on with a final vote at the November meeting.

The task force also voted to take comments on the proposal to raise the license fee for the special elk, deer and antelope licenses significantly. The task force realizes that demand for our licenses is so high it points to these as being under priced. The idea of an outfitter preference point was floated during public comment and this was received well by the task force and this subject will also go out for public comment. If you would like to let your voice be heard, you may make a comment on the Wyoming Wildlife Task Force.

Once again, I appreciate all of you who took the time to send comments to the task force. This has been a very time consuming and intense process, but overall, I feel good about how your hunting options in Wyoming fared through this process.



Best regards,

Sy Gilliland, Outfitter for SNS Outfitter and Guides

August 2022

 

[rwc101]

The “outfitter draw” is also dead and I am of course disappointed

 

[Bob-WY]

Talked to a friend today, he has a deposit with an elk outfitter who told him he most likely can draw next year with no points due to outfitter draw. Hmmmm

 

[Deleted member 16014]

Another round of comment open for the November Taskforce meeting.

 

[WYelker]

Another round of comment open for the November Taskforce meeting.

Looks like the only thing we can comment on is moving to more special licenses. Again proposed by the outfitters as they see the higher the cost the more likely their clients will get a tag…

 

[Oak]

Another round of comment open for the November Taskforce meeting.

One question.

 

[WYelker]

One question.

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Yep… They are trying hard to give the outfitters a bone. They want the more expensive tags to be more prevalent so that only their wealthy out of state clients can afford em…

 

[Rhcuam]

F**k Sy and this task force.

 

[WapitiBob]

Looks like the only thing we can comment on is moving to more special licenses. Again proposed by the outfitters as they see the higher the cost the more likely their clients will get a tag…

that's the point

 

[Bluffgruff]

I put a comment about stripping the wilderness guide rule too.

 

[Sytes]

I put a comment about stripping the wilderness guide rule too.

Buzz already guaranteed this.

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz already guaranteed this.

Nope, still haven't heard from the N. Dakotan, probably still trying to do the math if losing 75% of NR tags for DIY hunters is worth gaining access that he can already gain with a tiny bit of effort....clocks ticking.

 

[Sytes]

Put up or shut up Buzz... Y'er changing the rules - your negotiating tactics are stellar,