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Finally, the sexism and demeaning memes toward women was the last straw. Women are such an important part of the future of hunting, but from those memes I dont know why they would bother to lift a finger in support.

Again, something I dont talk much about is my passion for women's basketball. I started attending, watching and supporting women's basketball in the early 80's. My Alma Mater being UM, you'll know why. When I first started attending games, you walked through the door no ticket required. If you wanted a snack or drink, you brought your own, no concession stands were open. Over time I watched coach Selvig grow a program from literally nothing to a revenue generating powerhouse that competed with the top schools in the nation, including a heart breaking loss on double overtime 1 point loss to Stanford that would have taken them to the sweet 16.

There were the WAR games, women's attendance records, that were sold out days in advance. So many great players some of whom I went to grade school, high school, and college with. Ann Lake, Kelly Pilcher, Trish Olson, Marty Leibenguth, all high school class mates played on the teams. So many other from all parts of Montana, Greta Koss (ive hunted elk on her family's ranch), Skyla Cisco and several others from the Malta country. Also 4 Native American Players, including the first Division 1 Native American to play on a full ride Scholarship, Malia Kipp. I've watched so long that one early player, Cheri Brat-Roberts, had a daughter Liv, that I had the pleasure of watching play for UW here in Laramie.

I could go on and on, I've had season tickets to either UM or UW for over 30 years. Its been incredible watching the success of women's basketball. That's carried over to also being a huge WNBA fan.

When I saw those marginalizing, rude, and frankly ruthless memes regarding the only thing WNBA players deserved were having dildos thrown at them, I was truly done. Ive supported women's basketball too long to say or do nothing.

If I didn't say or do anything that made me 2 things, complicit and a coward for not standing up to the objectifying and marginalizing of women's athletics.

Its truly sad and unbelievable to me that those in our highest office would be active participants in something like that.

I cant abide that, these women that have come this far do not deserve to be punched down upon. It truly breaks my heart and its so goddamn far from being funny or a joke I don't know what else to say.

Leadership and doing the right thing starts at the top, and right now the top is a rudderless, rude, crude dysfunctional hot mess. Its taking us backward, not forward, and if I dont say or do what I csn to help address it, Im no better.

I'll leave it all on a higher note, trailers to 2 great films that, IMO, are exactly why I have supported women's college basketball and why I think they are most certainly worth more than memes that have our CIC throwing sex toys on them.

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All the talk of inclusion, but the constant bash and demeaning attitude towards 1/2 of the political sphere, and even more of the hunting sphere is interesting to see buzz.

So are you all about inclusion, or are you all about shitting on 60% of people for having viewpoints different than yours? Just wondering.
 
All the talk of inclusion, but the constant bash and demeaning attitude towards 1/2 of the political sphere, and even more of the hunting sphere is interesting to see buzz.

So are you all about inclusion, or are you all about shitting on 60% of people for having viewpoints different than yours? Just wondering.
He didn't say a thing about people who voted for Trump, just about Trump himself. The fact that so many tie an insult to the president as an insult to all of them is the problem - tribalism is ruining this country.
 
I’m going to reiterate something I said before so it cannot be ignored and hopefully everyone learns.

While there are a few mods on here, self policing is a wonderful tool to help us get right to a direct problem. Whether it’s a report, PM, or tagging us in a thread.


No one in here should get to a certain level of frustration to where they want to explode when they can use resources available to them to mitigate the problems.

Again I repeat - there will be stuff we miss. Stuff that is unacceptable, but those items are NOT a representation of HT or anything Randy stands for. So help us help them by letting us know.

Buzz, if you ever have stuff like that again I would hope you trust me enough to actually reach out so I can sort it out.

Not use Buzz smash methods to get stuff across the line. Use that on more important things…..
 
He didn't say a thing about people who voted for Trump, just about Trump himself. The fact that so many tie an insult to the president as an insult to all of them is the problem - tribalism is ruining this country.
You sure? I bet I could find 100 examples of him talking shit about 1 side. This took 2 seconds to find. Each is an example of Buzz shitting on one side of the aisle.


I can find more examples if you'd like.

Like I said. Is he all about inclusion, or is it all about shitting on 60% of people for having viewpoints that differ? Just wondering. I haven't seen anything regarding inclusion until now. Seems like a facade.
 
You sure? I bet I could find 100 examples of him talking shit about 1 side. This took 2 seconds to find. Each is an example of Buzz shitting on one side of the aisle.


I can find more examples if you'd like.

Like I said. Is he all about inclusion, or is it all about shitting on 60% of people for having viewpoints that differ? Just wondering. I haven't seen anything regarding inclusion until now. Seems like a facade.
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You sure? I bet I could find 100 examples of him talking shit about 1 side. This took 2 seconds to find. Each is an example of Buzz shitting on one side of the aisle.


I can find more examples if you'd like.

Like I said. Is he all about inclusion, or is it all about shitting on 60% of people for having viewpoints that differ? Just wondering. I haven't seen anything regarding inclusion until now. Seems like a facade.

I don't think those examples make the point you think they do.

Time to move on.
 
You sure? I bet I could find 100 examples of him talking shit about 1 side. This took 2 seconds to find. Each is an example of Buzz shitting on one side of the aisle.


I can find more examples if you'd like.

Like I said. Is he all about inclusion, or is it all about shitting on 60% of people for having viewpoints that differ? Just wondering. I haven't seen anything regarding inclusion until now. Seems like a facade.
I was referring to his posts in the thread you responded to, not his entire body of work, but I know you and buzz's beef goes way back. Sorry I don't have time to go through every post you've made, but I'm sure they're all a picture of respect and taking the high road, boy scout.
 
So the cliff notes version ?
Someone or someone’s hate Buzz , saw something they thought could be construed as racist , and pushed the mommy button ?
And mommy jumped in the fray ?
And now , after alls said and done , they still want to argue ?
Childish as hell , let it go .
 
Hunting is still the "good old boy" club for way too many, people who I thought were peers. If these are hunting peers, you can officially count me out.
The only good old boys club I've seen are all the original forum members that think they can get away with saying anything and based on the evidence of bans/re-instatements I'd say they can. I realize I'm a guest in the good old boys club on this forum and I'm alright with that.
The blatant racism, sexism, and mean spirited tone was more than I could take. If someone doesn't say or do something, nothing changes and the problem gets worse, like a slow growing cancer.
So you're suggesting you should of gotten a thank you for you're out of line post?

I'm sorry but that entire ramble of posts seemed like a lot of holier than though/virtue signaling to me more than than anything remotely close to a sincere attempt to "bring people together."

I respect all you do with respect to conservation/public lands and agree with the decisions to re-instate, but have a hard time with the rest of it. There's a lot of good guys with differing political perspectives. Sometimes their humor is out of line sure, but I'm not going to jump to blanket conclusions on character.
 
For crying out loud, people! If everyone is so butthurt about every single post made that they don't agree with, they should just leave. Personal differences can be had without attacks and reporting to the mods. Grow up! There's a bigger picture in this story that seems to be being ignored. The joking around, mainly but not limited to the meme thread, had gotten out of hand probably because of the NSFW addition a while back. Where was the limit between funny and poor taste? Buzz had seen enough and decided to use an extreme example to get your attention. It worked! Now some of you want to turn it around on him? Please. Hypocrisy at it's finest! We are a group of people gathered here for the same purpose. if we are constantly divided against each other it won't last much longer. He admitted he was wrong, but I say it had the intended results. There has been a crackdown on things that just don't belong here. While I enjoy a good laugh as much as the next guy, I can go elsewhere to find such. This is my "hunting/outdoors" place. Admittedly, I don't get out much. This place helps keep my head together. DON'T SCREW IT UP! Take your petty personal differences and set them aside. It's not worth ruining it for everyone.

End of rant.
 
Hey, remember when HT was funny?

Has it aged well? Not really. But I enjoyed it.
 
So the cliff notes version ?
Someone or someone’s hate Buzz , saw something they thought could be construed as racist , and pushed the mommy button ?
And mommy jumped in the fray ?
And now , after alls said and done , they still want to argue ?
Childish as hell , let it go .
I’m sorry but how every time something happens you jumping to call people whiners or “pushing the mommy button” isn’t a prime example of being mature.

You boldly assume it’s someone with a beef with Buzz and not someone who had a legitimate issue. Buzz was not the only one put in timeout.

I say this as someone who has only reported the crypto scammers. I have blocked two people who to me added no value and only childish insults. There are a few others I’ve thought of blocking. I choose not to because I hate the thought of censoring. I am getting fed up with the B.S. though.

Sorry I find your counters a little childish as well.

Buzz was in the wrong and admitted as much. Even if it was political not racial was still meant to trigger. Others trying to bury Buzz now are also in the wrong.

I try not to respond to the BS. I doubt it changes minds and I dislike conflict. However, with Buzz’s response posts I’m wondering if I shouldn’t call out more.
 
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