US and Israel attack Iran

[Nuts]

 

[Gulf of America]

Even if Trump is 100% wrong I believe in the long term the US is safer. The world is safer. I base that on a couple things. One of which is Iran's own words and actions. I buy the fact that Iran wanted better capabilities to harm the US and was working toward that. Why wouldn't they . I also buy the fact that the Iranian people want freedom. I am acquittances with a local Iranian in our area we will call Bob. Bob goes back to visit his family in Iran. Bob has converted to Christianity. His father picks him up at the airport in Iran and carries the deed to his house with him. If they get stopped it is the only thing that will save Bob from being put to death. He tells me the people themselves are good and just want to live a normal life without violence. But everything is controlled by the government and they jail or kill anyone who has a different opinion. I believe Bob.

The only way Iran winds up being run by a less oppressive regime is a long-term occupation by US forces ensuring free and fair elections and that opposition candidates aren't murdered by the hardliners that run the revolutionary guard. I haven't heard anyone in the admin say that is even a consideration. Although it would be ironic, if they decided to occupy Iran to ensure free and fair elections there while trying to eliminate them here.

 

[NDGuy]

The only way Iran winds up being run by a less oppressive regime is a long-term occupation by US forces ensuring free and fair elections and that opposition candidates aren't murdered by the hardliners that run the revolutionary guard. I haven't heard anyone in the admin say that is even a consideration. Although it would be ironic, if they decided to occupy Iran to ensure free and fair elections there while trying to eliminate them here.

They have a concept of a plan for handling a country of 90 million people. They just don't want to share any details.

 

[Irrelevant]

No one with 4 firing brain cells would actually think Iran poses a threat to the US.

All these Teddy Fans who, when pressed on the actions of their tribe, completely denounce, "speak softly and carry a big stick".

The videos of the missile defenses are pretty sweet. I bet those are a helluva lot less expensive, both in dollars, political capital, and public opinion.

I think sometimes Trump needs to have duct tape nearby when he is talking or a muzzle. He overexaggerates a lot of things said, just like the strikes saying they were totally obliterated. Makes a good point, if they were completely destroyed what are we doing now? He has done good things and bad things like everyone else, just needs to stay away from the media when he is talking. Just my opinion.

Talking? This is the MF Whitehouse website man!

When are people going to get sick of this level is lies? This is so aggregeiously blatant that there is not amount of whataboutism that justifies it. Seriously, how's that yellow rain treating ya?

 

[Nuts]

They have a concept of a plan for handling a country of 90 million people. They just don't want to share any details.

This is my thought. You have countries around there with similar beliefs to the actual people. No proof but I think there is a plan that hasn't been shared. As for the nuclear capabilities being wiped out last year. IDK. My guess we got most of it. But they were rebuilding or working toward that. In any case they had intent to harm the US and Israel. That I don't think is a debate. So waiting till they had everything they needed to do so and a contingency plan seams like a bad idea. That's ignoring the killing of its own citizens by the thousands

 

[Nuts]

No one with 4 firing brain cells would actually think Iran poses a threat to the US.

All these Teddy Fans who, when pressed on the actions of their tribe, completely denounce, "speak softly and carry a big stick".

The videos of the missile defenses are pretty sweet. I bet those are a helluva lot less expensive, both in dollars, political capital, and public opinion.

Talking? This is the MF Whitehouse website man!
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When are people going to get sick of this level is lies? This is so aggregeiously blatant that there is not amount of whataboutism that justifies it. Seriously, how's that yellow rain treating ya?

Lets say this was a lie. Or they had wrong information. Either way. Does that then make these strikes warranted or unwarranted?

 

[brymoore]

Lets say this was a lie. Or they had wrong information. Either way. Does that then make these strikes warranted or unwarranted?

If this is a War, it’s an unconstitutional action by the president. It’s not his first attempt to bypass the Constitution. Congress needs a pair of….

 

[TOGIE]

I just hope Lockheed can find a way to keep up (they can't) or Trump winds this down before we and our collective allies have to become more selective with which missiles we intercept and we start seeing more and more service men and women and civilians killed over there.

 

[NoWiser]

This is my thought. You have countries around there with similar beliefs to the actual people. No proof but I think there is a plan that hasn't been shared. As for the nuclear capabilities being wiped out last year. IDK. My guess we got most of it. But they were rebuilding or working toward that. In any case they had intent to harm the US and Israel. That I don't think is a debate. So waiting till they had everything they needed to do so and a contingency plan seams like a bad idea. That's ignoring the killing of its own citizens by the thousands

My wife’s 8 pound cat has the intent to harm me. I don’t kill it because, if it tries, I just have to push it off to the side with my boot and move on with my day. Killing it would cause a lot more headaches than it’s worth.

 

[TheTone]

Rubio says we had to act because Israel was going to anyways. Why should I care a bit about what they want to do?

 

[406dn]

The only way Iran winds up being run by a less oppressive regime is a long-term occupation by US forces ensuring free and fair elections and that opposition candidates aren't murdered by the hardliners that run the revolutionary guard. I haven't heard anyone in the admin say that is even a consideration. Although it would be ironic, if they decided to occupy Iran to ensure free and fair elections there while trying to eliminate them here.

True, but not entirely. We are very unlikely to allow free and fair elections, if there is much prospect that they won't go the way we prefer. We are more likely to install a government that is more friendly to the US and Israel. That government will need to continually put down dissent.

 

[Nuts]

My wife’s 8 pound cat has the intent to harm me. I don’t kill it because, if it tries, I just have to push it off to the side with my boot and move on with my day. Killing it would cause a lot more headaches than it’s worth.

If you had an infant the cat was trying to kill would you feel the same way?

 

[Nuts]

Rubio says we had to act because Israel was going to anyways. Why should I care a bit about what they want to do?

The way I understood it was that if Israel was going to go that Iran would retaliate against everyone. Us included. By diminishing there capabilities we would reduce the risk

 

[Bonasababy]

They have a concept of a plan for handling a country of 90 million people. They just don't want to share any details.

Kind of like their plan to "fix" the affordable care act? Still waiting on that one for a decade now.....

 

[Nuts]

If this is a War, it’s an unconstitutional action by the president. It’s not his first attempt to bypass the Constitution. Congress needs a pair of….

Serious question. What is the difference between this and what is being used as an example of Obama doing it with Libya? The term war? I see this question being pushed. I haven't seen a strong argument in response. Its to early to tell IMO. This article seams to spell it out. In which case Trump hasn't exceeded the time line yet as I read it.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/president-obamas-illegal-war#:~:text=On%20March%2019%2C%202011%2C%20President,the%20use%20of%20military%20force.

 

[Bonasababy]

Rubio says we had to act because Israel was going to anyways. Why should I care a bit about what they want to do?

Speculation at best. And if they had retaliated against the US, we would have had the justification and support to hit them back hard from allies and more americans than we have now.

A lot of things don't make sense in the administrations actions.

Keep coming back to the thought that Israel has Trump by the balls on something.

 

[brymoore]

Serious question. What is the difference between this and what is being used as an example of Obama doing it with Libya? The term war? I see this question being pushed. I haven't seen a strong argument in response. Its to early to tell IMO. This article seams to spell it out. In which case Trump hasn't exceeded the time line yet as I read it.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/president-obamas-illegal-war#:~:text=On%20March%2019%2C%202011%2C%20President,the%20use%20of%20military%20force.

Go read Article 1 of the Constitution.

All of the police actions, etc. since the last declaration of war in 1942 are unconstitutional. Congress needs to stand up to all presidents to reinforce it’s constitutional rights.

If the president needs the power of war, change the constitution. Otherwise, the president needs approval of congress for military actions.

 

[Nuts]

Kind of like their plan to "fix" the affordable care act? Still waiting on that one for a decade now.....

Yep. It will take bi-partisan effort. The lines are drawn to deep with both sides hesitating to cross the isle and not trusting anyone. Justifiably at times. IMO never gonna happen in the current climate. Clean house and start over we might have a chance.

 

[BigHornRam]

UN nuclear watchdog says it’s unable to verify whether Iran has suspended all uranium enrichment | PBS News https://share.google/I29UVX6DrjgMKZLT5

According to the IAEA, Iran maintains a stockpile of 440.9 kilograms (972 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60% purity — a short, technical step away from weapons-grade levels of 90%.

That stockpile could allow Iran to build as many as 10 nuclear bombs, should it decide to weaponize its program, IAEA director general Rafael Grossi warned in a recent interview with the AP. He added that it doesn't mean that Iran has such a weapon.

 

[Redmt]

Serious question. IF!! Iran had the nuclear weapons, do they have the ability to deliver further than the distance that would harm them also?