Ukraine / Russia

BigHornRam said:
What? It's Biden saying no mas to the Venezuelans invading the border.

www.texastribune.org

Many Venezuelan migrants will be turned back to Mexico, DHS announces

The Biden administration is also creating a pathway to allow “qualified” Venezuelans into the country. Venezuelans have been fleeing their home country in record numbers, and the number crossing the U.S.-Mexico border has surged.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
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So far up your own ass you have to deflect to Venezuelans in a thread about Ukraine.
 
BigHornRam said:
Sore head this morning @rwc101 ?
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Nope. How about you drive to Idaho to ask the parents of the veteran killed in Ukraine this week whether he was watching porn when he was killed. Maybe somebody breaking your jaw would knock some sense and respect into you. You're a real piece of shit.
 
Well, it seems this thread is one step from being locked. I thought it might be one non-hunting thread that we could have that could stay open. I'm impressed you made it to 192 pages, but we're about to get locked if folks can't interact without the name calling and other BS.

Last chance to clean it up and keep it on point. And when I send you a warning, I don't need a line of BS justifying the sixth grade behavior.
 
There's a lot about this that I don't understand. If Russia is supposedly reclaiming or annexing Ukraine, why are they destroying everything in their path? What good is scorched earth? Another issue is that the US is pouring billions of dollars into a war we are not involved in. Are we paying Ukraine to take down Putin?
 
Redmt said:
There's a lot about this that I don't understand. If Russia is supposedly reclaiming or annexing Ukraine, why are they destroying everything in their path? What good is scorched earth? Another issue is that the US is pouring billions of dollars into a war we are not involved in. Are we paying Ukraine to take down Putin?
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Scorched earth/turn everything into a pile of rubble/feed men into the meat grinder is the Russian way. And their tactics really haven’t changed in the last hundred or so years.
Why are we dumping billions of dollars into a country most Americans cannot find on the map. That’s a much better question.
Putin has been embarrassed by Ukraine. The only thing that makes Russia a peer adversary to the U.S. is they have nuclear weapons. They are not equal or even close in any other way.
 
rwc101 said:
Nope. How about you drive to Idaho to ask the parents of the veteran killed in Ukraine this week whether he was watching porn when he was killed. Maybe somebody breaking your jaw would knock some sense and respect into you. You're a real piece of shit.
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I think a better question would be why did he go halfway around the world to get involved in a war that he had nothing to do with. Why did he leave his 5 kids to go fight for Ukraine?
He should’ve stayed home and raised his family. Now due to his recklessness he leaves five kids without a dad.

I doubt the PMC pay is that good.
He chose his path, No one to blame but himself.

If you’re going to hurl insults and name call do it p.m. so that thread stays open.
Thank you
 
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Rhcuam said:
Why would he do it silently. It’s marketing. He gets to show off what his company is capable of and how quickly he can get it set up. He did that, not sugar daddy. so absolutely, he gets to show off his toys and now he wants payed for it. I hope he gets the bag.
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He was just kidding, apparently. And docs show that government entities already provided funds for 17k of the 20k Starlink terminals.
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SAJ-99 said:
He was just kidding, apparently. And docs show that government entities already provided funds for 17k of the 20k Starlink terminals.
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Yeah, folks at the Pentagon were real pleased when he was acting like he was paying the whole bill all along out of the kindness of his heart while he was cashing their checks. Just another lying ass billionaire cashing a govt check, what a shocker.
 
The article states that SpaceX has been donating the majority of the recurring monthly service. It also sounds like they are using these in ways that were really not intended which seems to be the big advantage that Ukraine has had during the war. Thinking outside the box. Per the article the monthly service they are using is $4,500 per month per terminal and there are approximately 25,000 terminals in use. That would be $112 million per month and SpaceX is footing the bill for 70% of that. Free service of $78 million per month seems like a bit more than any other company is contributing to the war effort.

No idea why the service is $4,500 per month or why the terminals they are using are $1,500 or $2,500 each, but evidently they aren't the same make and model of the ones we can buy for $600 and pay $110 per month for service.

They really seem to be making a difference in the war effort based on the article. It even made it seem like the reason they had to slow down the offensive in Karkiv was because they ran out of the coverage area of the service and had to get Starlink to change their coverage area. That is a pretty good indication that it is making a difference.

Not trying to stick up for Mr. Musk, it just seems a little unfair to be bashing him for contributing a significant amount of products and services that actually seem to work and are very useful in the war effort. I do think he could lay off patting himself on the back a bit, but it sure seems like Starlink has been a big part of the Ukraine success.
 
npaden said:
The article states that SpaceX has been donating the majority of the recurring monthly service. It also sounds like they are using these in ways that were really not intended which seems to be the big advantage that Ukraine has had during the war. Thinking outside the box. Per the article the monthly service they are using is $4,500 per month per terminal and there are approximately 25,000 terminals in use. That would be $112 million per month and SpaceX is footing the bill for 70% of that. Free service of $78 million per month seems like a bit more than any other company is contributing to the war effort.

No idea why the service is $4,500 per month or why the terminals they are using are $1,500 or $2,500 each, but evidently they aren't the same make and model of the ones we can buy for $600 and pay $110 per month for service.

They really seem to be making a difference in the war effort based on the article. It even made it seem like the reason they had to slow down the offensive in Karkiv was because they ran out of the coverage area of the service and had to get Starlink to change their coverage area. That is a pretty good indication that it is making a difference.

Not trying to stick up for Mr. Musk, it just seems a little unfair to be bashing him for contributing a significant amount of products and services that actually seem to work and are very useful in the war effort. I do think he could lay off patting himself on the back a bit, but it sure seems like Starlink has been a big part of the Ukraine success.
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I think the point of the Ukrainians is that his contributions, which are significant don't give him a seat at the table in determining the autonomy of a country.
 
npaden said:
The article states that SpaceX has been donating the majority of the recurring monthly service. It also sounds like they are using these in ways that were really not intended which seems to be the big advantage that Ukraine has had during the war. Thinking outside the box. Per the article the monthly service they are using is $4,500 per month per terminal and there are approximately 25,000 terminals in use. That would be $112 million per month and SpaceX is footing the bill for 70% of that. Free service of $78 million per month seems like a bit more than any other company is contributing to the war effort.

No idea why the service is $4,500 per month or why the terminals they are using are $1,500 or $2,500 each, but evidently they aren't the same make and model of the ones we can buy for $600 and pay $110 per month for service.

They really seem to be making a difference in the war effort based on the article. It even made it seem like the reason they had to slow down the offensive in Karkiv was because they ran out of the coverage area of the service and had to get Starlink to change their coverage area. That is a pretty good indication that it is making a difference.

Not trying to stick up for Mr. Musk, it just seems a little unfair to be bashing him for contributing a significant amount of products and services that actually seem to work and are very useful in the war effort. I do think he could lay off patting himself on the back a bit, but it sure seems like Starlink has been a big part of the Ukraine success.
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Agree. The service has been very valuable to Ukraine. Should NATO pay for it? Yeah, I wouldn't argue against that. However, Musk isn't just patting himself on the back, he wants everyone else to pat him on the back. Then he steps in and proposes an agreement to the conflict that Ukraine doesn't like and gets his feelings hurt. And his friend trying to defend him against the Twitter mob is comical. Twitter IS the Mob. User beware. Musk has gone to great lengths to build his reputation as a Twitter troll (practically lead of his own Twitter mob), so his current "snowflake" approach of playing the victim is comical.

Musk put the monthly loss for SpaceX at $20m. That's SpaceX, not him personally, SpaceX and its 50+ venture capital investors. But even if Musk has to pay for it himself, at $20m per month, his $200B in personal value at wouldn't be depleted for over 800yrs.
 
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