BuzzH
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Not true. After issuing multiple Flash Flood Warnings the evening before, the NWS issued a rare Flash Flood Emergency in the early hours of Friday morning.
NOAA weather radios that have an alert feature that can easily wake you up have been around for decades. Not sure why but they just never have become mainstream in my opinion, something that has seen less of chance with people now depending more on TV, radio, and weather apps. There are also emergency alert services that send signals to cell phones, given you're in an area where cell coverage is available.
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I never turned it political until the buzz guy talked about spending cuts. But I guess it okay for him to always turn it political and no body can agrue. We just need to be good little soldiers.
BuzzH
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Not true that NOAA/NWS isn't understaffed?
I disagree.
including job cuts at the NWS and its parent organization, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
The NWS lost nearly 600 workers earlier this year, but last month the agency said it was beginning to hire over 100 employees to "stabilize operations" following a backlash to the staffing shortfall.
Among those who left was Paul Yura, who had been the warning coordination meteorologist at the NWS's Austin/San Antonio office. Yura spent more than half of his 32-year career in the office and took an early retirement offer in April, KXAN reported.
According to the NWS, duties of a warning coordination meteorologist include acting as a liaison to public safety officials, including emergency managers, and providing government officials with information on severe weather.
The Austin/San Antonio Weather Forecast Office currently has at least six vacancies according to a list of staff members on its website.
Morgan, who previously worked with NOAA as an assistant secretary of commerce for environmental observation and prediction under former President Biden, said the Trump administration was also threatening to cut funding for research to improve weather forecasting.
A NOAA budget document for the coming fiscal year would eliminate funding for the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research and the National Severe Storms Lab, both of which Morgan highlighted as institutions doing vital research and modeling of severe weather.
"I think it's investments in that that are really going to help mitigate future tragedies like what unfolded in Texas," Morgan said.
I think you all are idiots for turning a post about children drowning into something political.
BuzzH
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If you want to stop people from getting killed, you have to understand why it happened and what you need to do to prevent it...if only obviously.
Sorry that hurts your feel bads, but facts need to matter if we're going to change course on these types of tragic events.
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Nah, just hope after seeing pictures of you, you are getting meds. Don't want to read about a over weight guy dieing.
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just so you know, people pass all the time in natural disasters. It is not good. But when folks go right into blaming this or that or this or we didn't do this or we didn't do that because of my political agenda........ We will be right back here again. And yes you are right it is a dumpster fire. People speaking their minds and pointing fingers will always happen. And it is a good dumpster fire as long as wqe can debate and find a better solution.
BuzzH
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Yeah, best to just sweep this all under the rug as if it never happened. No good reason to look at what happened, why it happened, what went wrong, how it can be prevented, how to predict these things better, how to warn people better, etc. etc. etc.
You know, just chalk it all up to bad luck and shit happens, let people fend for themselves.
Unbelievable.
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I see three guys who need to get gonged. Let's keep this thread about the people affected by this flood. Please.
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I know you work ass off at what you do. I will never take that from a man. I know your heart is with big government and unions (a microcosm of communism). And you work extremely hard at what you do. Lots of respect. That flash flood was going to happen no matter what. You can sit here say oh we can prevent that. What happened --- a flash flood on river basin. Nothing went wrong but people wanted to live on a river basin. Why? God, I know know your not religious, so mother nature.... These things are not predictable (no one can predict 100 year flood whether it is God or mother nature) This is an active planet with a changing climate. I apoligize for any insulting comments I said to you. We obviously dissagree but no reason to insult each other.
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I am glad you are all about this thread. Have donated money to the cause? Are helping in any way? And if you are I apologize. Or do you just like being like everyone here and comment how much you care? And how big your heart is?
BuzzH
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I've dealt with events like this in the past, and I fundamentally disagree with nearly everything you said.
There are ways to limit tragic events like this or even prevent them. I've been directly involved and to say otherwise is just not true. If that's the case, then why does every workplace have a safety officer? Safety committees? Accident prevention? Why does OSHA MSHA exist? FFS, why do we have hunters safety? Why do we have NOAA, NWS? Why do we have Emergency Notification Systems in place? Just to waste taxpayer money? What's your life worth? What's a family members life worth?
I also disagree that these events can not be predicted, they absolutely can be. Wayyyyy less people die today than 50 years ago in hurricanes, tornado's, wildfire, airplane crashes, floods, etc. etc. etc. I can almost bank on weather forecasts to go kill an elk, but you don't think we can predict severe weather events? I had pretty good warning when a tornado ripped through just North of my place here some years back, the weather man just get lucky? Are you saying we need to just get rid of NOAA/NWS? Climate and weather science? Would that be better, just let people lick their finger and trust the old rodeo injury to know if it's going to rain?
That doesn't happen just because we're more lucky today than the saps living 50, 60, 90 years ago. I know its because people in the past have absolutely pointed fingers of blame, assigned blame, taken blame, and looked at what happened and created systems that stop, or at least attempt to stop these kinds of things from happening again. In other words they learn from past tragedy to prevent future tragedy. I don't think its wise to underfund or understaff agencies and people that work their ass off to prevent loss of life, property, etc. Just doesn't make any sense and if that's the cause, you damn right I'll point the blame finger.
Its foolish to think that we just have to accept these kinds of things for any reason and if there's gaps in coverage that caused it, that needs to be addressed, period.
I can also say that I probably take these kinds of things more personal than the average person having unfortunate experiences involving fatalities of co-workers, all of which were preventable. Its tragic and heart-breaking.
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Yes you are right about a lot of things we have learned. From Hurricanes to tornadoes. Yes less people die today, Especially percentage wise. I get radar and early warning things.(and all those things came from private entrepenuers (spelling I am sorry) . We still can't predict tornadoes or floods. If you want to solve that it will be in the private sector. For example... Cancer will never be solved by the government. There is no insentive to solve it. Once they solve it they will not get there grants. they are employeed. A private entreapruner finds the cure (spell check) gets the pattent on it (and rightfully so) and will always be cheaper than anything the government will offer.
And these events can not be predicted. If some could, can you imagine the money someone could make off of predicting this. A hundred year flood? The only thing or problem is people trying to play God.
I guess we shoudn't bring politics into this, it upsets people and I apoligize for responding to your post.
WildWill
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Nothing has ever made me think less of hunt talk then how this thread turned.
devon deer
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I agree, really poor show by some of these members.
People lost their lives, show some respect
mevertsen
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Im trying to ignore all the arguing in this thread.
We have a friend who's cousin's granddaughter was one of the 8 year old girls at that church camp who perished.
Quite a sad deal.
No explanation, just grief at this point for the matter
We have a friend who's cousin's granddaughter was one of the 8 year old girls at that church camp who perished.
Quite a sad deal.
No explanation, just grief at this point for the matter
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