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[bayoublaster7527]

I guess the election was bound to produce snowflakes.

The right has been calling Democrats, socialists and communists for as long as I can remember. The sting is minimal, at most.

Sanders and Mamdoni identify as democratic socialists. That would be very similar to the Nordic countries. And really, with Trump's bro fest with Putin, I half expected to GOP to follow suit.

Anyway keep being snow flakes, I'm leaving to elk hunt tomorrow, and snow never hurts.

I would say the difference is many Democrats now self-identify as socialists; it’s not just a misplaced, baseless accusation. I would disagree that the Democratic Socialists of America share the same principles of most modern Nordic countries. I don’t recall them calling to defund the police, celebrate or downplay October 7th, and attempt to seize the means of production. I also believe there is quite a bit of daylight between Dems advocating for limited social “safety net” programs and the DSA w/Mamdani.

I am always perplexed by the term “democratic socialist”, reminds me of Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (aka North Korea). Not really that democratic. To me democracy is about citizens having choices and the more you move down the scale of socialism, the less choices and more undemocratic a nation becomes.

That being said I do see the GOP position moving closer to some form of universal health care, similar to the current Dem position. The current medical system in the U.S. is broken and untenable.

Does supporting capitalism and critizing socialism make me a snowflake?

 

[seeth07]

guys and gals....it is HUNTING SEASON FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Save it until at least January...

 

[Irrelevant]

Idk if I'd paint with that broad of a brush, or maybe im misunderstanding your post.

I generally support pretty much any health care system or concept than what we have but it's not because something else would make us healthier.

 

[Nick87]

I generally support pretty much any health care system or concept than what we have but it's not because something else would make us healthier.

Gotcha.

 

[Gulf of America]

and attempt to seize the means of production.

This one’s a hilarious accusation. Like next level comedy. I don’t recall a single democrat taking government stake in companies but Trump’s making USSR great again with his “deals.” Capitalism my ass.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Does supporting capitalism and critizing socialism make me a snowflake?

Yes and also a racist....I dont make the rules sorry.

 

[rjthehunter]

BLUF: While Canada's healthcare is not the best, it is very good and accessible to ALL regardless of insurance or personal wealth.

I wonder what the wait time is for those who cannot afford health coverage in the US?

I would guess these stats are for benign ailments. I'm in my mid-30s and have never waited 30 weeks to see a specialist or for treatment start to finish. I always have the option to go private pay out of pocket if I want too.

An AI overview seems to say that while Canada isn't the best, it definitely ranks higher than the US overall. The US sounds great if you have money and great insurance, otherwise it looks like the comon theme is: "sucks to suck".

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I don't mean to be flippant but I travel to the US a lot and it seems from personal observation that our general population overall looks healthier. I also have family in the US and their healthcare is stupid expensive. Do I pay a lot of taxes? Sure. Do I like that education, healthcare, social services, etc., are free or super cheap? Hell yeah!

Two kids cost my wife and I roughly $300 at the hospital and that's because we upgraded to a private room post-delivery. My wife also got to take a year off work, paid for by tax payers, after both my kids were born and I got 6 weeks, again paid by tax payers, for each.

My point is, countries like Canada do pretty damn well with our slough of social services. We're not perfect, but I strongly believe we have it better than the average American.

Don't mistake me. Our Healthcare system is F**ked. I'm sure theres a happy medium out there somewhere where healthcare is affordable and readily available to anyone without paying for it through taxes. The whole "non profit" hospital who pays their CEO $20 mil a year is a joke. No reason a bandaid should cost $7 if it's given to you at the doc.

I think overall, most countries are healthier than the US. Isn't 70 some percent of the US population overweight? Its a crazy number like that.

 

[Irrelevant]

Democrats currently represent zero threat to anything on the national level, so any, and I mean any, outrage directed at them is 100% in the snowflake category.

Does supporting capitalism and critizing socialism make me a snowflake?

When did that start? Seems like the last year the good ole GOP is going hard nationalism, in opposition to capitalism. Openly picking winners and losers based on politics. Tariff are like the exact opposite. But I suppose that Argentinian beef fits the mold.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

zero threat

Were in a shutdown so yea they are a threat. They have votes to. There is absolutely zero reason why they cant pass this CR while the two teams of retards negotiate Healthcare.

 

[BuzzH]

Were in a shutdown so yea they are a threat. They have votes to. There is absolutely zero reason why they cant pass this CR while the two teams of retards negotiate Healthcare.

Yes there is a reason...you cant negotiate without leverage, and with lying liars.

 

[El Jason]

guys and gals....it is HUNTING SEASON FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Save it until at least January...

It’s hunting season, and some folks aren’t getting paychecks because of governmental incompetence.

 

[BrentD]

Don't mistake me. Our Healthcare system is F**ked. I'm sure theres a happy medium out there somewhere where healthcare is affordable and readily available to anyone without paying for it through taxes. The whole "non profit" hospital who pays their CEO $20 mil a year is a joke. No reason a bandaid should cost $7 if it's given to you at the doc.

I think overall, most countries are healthier than the US. Isn't 70 some percent of the US population overweight? Its a crazy number like that.

Our health CARE, per se, is ok (well not really). Our system of insurance what we are fighting about and is not even kind of ok. The problem is not the care, it is the incredible idustrial machinery that gets in between the patient and the doctor.

That said, if you google things like rates of mortality for mothers giving birth or infant mortality, etc, you will find that the USA is usually near the bottom of the list for most 1st-world countries and below many 3rd-world countries. We ain't as great as we think. Much of that is because so many cannot pay for care in this country.

 

[El Jason]

We ain't as great as we think. Much of that is because so many cannot pay for care in this country.

But hey, obesity drugs will now be cheaper. Metaphorically, putting a $7 band aid on the problem.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

This one’s a hilarious accusation. Like next level comedy. I don’t recall a single democrat taking government stake in companies but Trump’s making USSR great again with his “deals.” Capitalism my ass.

I don’t know why it’s hilarious. It was a direct quote from Mamdani at a DSA convention.

Also not a fan of federal govt taking a large stake in private companies. Hypocrisy is abundant in the current political environment.

 

[BrentD]

But hey, obesity drugs will now be cheaper. Metaphorically, putting a $7 band aid on the problem.

Did you know that Americans are the shortest people in the first world? When I was a child, I thought we were the tallest. Maybe my memory is bad.

Personally, the one place I feel private industry has no business.Being is in health insurance.

 

[BigHornRam]

Democrats currently represent zero threat to anything on the national level, so any, and I mean any, outrage directed at them is 100% in the snowflake category.

When did that start? Seems like the last year the good ole GOP is going hard nationalism, in opposition to capitalism. Openly picking winners and losers based on politics. Tariff are like the exact opposite. But I suppose that Argentinian beef fits the mold.

We need 7 democrats in the Senate to pass a continuing resolution, or a healthcare fix. Right now they own the shutdown.

 

[BrentD]

We need 7 democrats in the Senate to pass a continuing resolution, or a healthcare fix. Right now they own the shutdown.

That is a puzzling statement.
The republicans knew they did not have the votes to pass the resolution and keep the government open. When that happens, the only rational thing to do is negotiate with the other side and compromise. They have not even pretended to attempt to do that. If they had a super majority, they wouldn't have to. But they do not. Pretty simple, really.

 

[BigHornRam]

That is a puzzling statement.
The republicans knew they did not have the votes to pass the resolution and keep the government open. When that happens, the only rational thing to do is negotiate with the other side and compromise. They have not even pretended to attempt to do that. If they had a super majority, they wouldn't have to. But they do not. Pretty simple, really.

Where do you come up with this?

Shutdown breaks record as Senate Democrats agonize over endgame - POLITICO https://share.google/8twCv4UoP58c802oL

Schumer owns this shut down.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

It truly is a political impasse.

Could the Senate Dems just vote to pass the CR, open the government and then work on ACA subsidies? Yes.

Could the Senate Republicans just agree to some compromise on extending ACA subsidies? Yes.

But Senate Dems understand that shutting down the government is their only leverage right now. And they also see health care as a winning issue for them.

Senate Repubs however see that the longer the shutdown continues more people are affected, outside of just ACA folks. And they are betting that more of those folks begin to blame the Dems for the shutdown.

Currently it looks like the majority of general voters blame Republicans for the shutdown and this makes sense as they are the party in power. And so it continues as more Americans suffer.