Obama trying to lock up millions of acres of public land

[JoseCuervo]

Where were the invasive plant species from another continent when the dinosaurs were running around? I'll put this smilie here: so you know that I know you're making a lame attempt at trying to confuse the point I made. You're purposefully not addressing the it and you know what it is.

On what authority do you determine what is "invasive" and what is "another continent"?

It was all "One World".....

 

[JohnCushman]

Are you really trying to convince people that it is ok to to hunt off of ATV's if you are elderly? Where does anybody have a "right" to be allowed to hunt if they aren't physically able to?

With this comment I can honestly say that you can kiss the biggest whitest part of my ass. I actually qualify for mobility impaired permits in CO after 2 IED blasts in Iraq and several knee surgeries and a back surgery that I have been putting off and fighting. I DON'T use the permits,though, more to prove to myself that I can still get it done like I used to be able to. Does it hurt? YES Is it difficult? YES Does it impeded on some of the hunting I'd really like to be doing? YES....BUT...I could easily use the permits and make life a little easier on myself. I know alot of disabled veterans that use permits like that so they can still enjoy the passion and experience of hunting. If a 70 year old man wants to still get out and get it done and use an ATV to do it, then all the more power to him for still wanting to hunt and enjoy the outdoors instead of sitting at home drinking coffee and playing BINGO at the local diner. So, you, Jose, have lost any portiion of any sort of respect I may have offered you simply as a human on this planet and member of this forum.

It's become pretty obvious that all you can do is troll the boards and quote other people's posts and argue and start crap. Actually getting out and hunting and using snowmobiles and ATVs in outdoor recreation would put too much of a damper on your board time.

You, sir, can F off

I apologize if I offended anyone or broke any rules of the forum...but that statement he made really struck a bad chord with me and offended me greatly

Now, back to the topic at hand......

 

[Wyodeerhunter]

With this comment I can honestly say that you can kiss the biggest whitest part of my ass. I actually qualify for mobility impaired permits in CO after 2 IED blasts in Iraq and several knee surgeries and a back surgery that I have been putting off and fighting. I DON'T use the permits,though, more to prove to myself that I can still get it done like I used to be able to. Does it hurt? YES Is it difficult? YES Does it impeded on some of the hunting I'd really like to be doing? YES....BUT...I could easily use the permits and make life a little easier on myself. I know alot of disabled veterans that use permits like that so they can still enjoy the passion and experience of hunting. If a 70 year old man wants to still get out and get it done and use an ATV to do it, then all the more power to him for still wanting to hunt and enjoy the outdoors instead of sitting at home drinking coffee and playing BINGO at the local diner. So, you, Jose, have lost any portiion of any sort of respect I may have offered you simply as a human on this planet and member of this forum.

It's become pretty obvious that all you can do is troll the boards and quote other people's posts and argue and start crap. Actually getting out and hunting and using snowmobiles and ATVs in outdoor recreation would put too much of a damper on your board time.

You, sir, can F off

I apologize if I offended anyone or broke any rules of the forum...but that statement he made really struck a bad chord with me and offended me greatly

Now, back to the topic at hand......

FISH ON!!!!!!

This might be your biggest catch yet jose!

 

[JoseCuervo]

FISH ON!!!!!!

This might be your biggest catch yet jose!

Are you diminishing the Imaginary Corporal from Ohio?

 

[krshunter]

My father managed lands for the BLM for 37 years and one of the biggest problems currently existing is lack of budgets and manpower to manage already designated lands. He is currently retired and managing over 600,000 acres in SW Wyoming much of which covers the areas mentioned in Obamas proposal. Lands in SW Wyoming are checker boarded so 50% of the national monument designation includes private property. They are trying to determine how the President is going to designate private property.

To show a little about the Presidents lack of knowledge of history, Wyoming is actually the only state exempt from the Antiquities Act. The act was first used in Wyoming but we became exempt in 1950 after Teton National was created.

 

[Oak]

Lands in SW Wyoming are checker boarded so 50% of the national monument designation includes private property. They are trying to determine how the President is going to designate private property.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021810_monumentlist.pdf

At the top of page five there is a paragraph about checkerboard consolidation. Sounds a bit pie-in-the-sky to me.

 

[1_pointer]

On what authority do you determine what is "invasive" and what is "another continent"?

It was all "One World".....

Really?? I didn't realize that the world was one big land mass in the past. If/when you actually want to discuss something let me know. Until then keep posting about dinosaurs, I like the pictures and education.

 

[sweetnectar]

Krshunter-thanks for the input. I wish Montana was exempt as well.

 

[Finalshot]

please, not a soul on this earth will see a single ounce of construction on a new nuke plant under Obama. . . In fact, i'd venture a guess that we wont see a single shovel of dirt turned for a new plant in the next 10 or even 20 years. . .

 

[JoseCuervo]

please, not a soul on this earth will see a single ounce of construction on a new nuke plant under Obama. . . In fact, i'd venture a guess that we wont see a single shovel of dirt turned for a new plant in the next 10 or even 20 years. . .

Only because of Republican opposition.....

The fate of the industry and its future development might have been altered with President Barack Obama’s announcement of financial and philosophical support for nuclear. It came in the form of government-backed loans and in his statements that nuclear energy has a key role in the country’s power base.

First in line among the beneficiaries of that policy is Plant Vogtle, the nuclear complex in Burke County, near Waynesboro, and its owners, including Southern Co.’s Georgia Power subsidiary.

The company will share with its co-owners, including Oglethorpe Power and MEAG Power, $8.3 billion in low-interest loans that it says will lower the cost to its customers of the project’s expansion.

Vogtle plans to add two units to the pair that began operating in the late 1980s. The first of the new units is scheduled to come online in 2016, the second in 2017, at a total cost estimated at $14 billion.

Southern Co. CEO David Ratcliffe said, “It’s an important endorsement in the role nuclear power must play in diversifying our nation’s energy mix and helping to curb greenhouse gas emissions.”

U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu said Vogtle was selected because the project was “further along in the process. They had already begun some site preparation. We felt simply that this was a project that had a low probability of default.”

Critics immediately pilloried the loan package, terming it a taxpayer giveaway, a bailout for giant utilities. They pointed to a report from the Congressional Budget Office that pegged the chances of default at up to 50 percent, with taxpayers on the hook. The loans will come through the Federal Financing Bank, a government entity.

Even with the loans, they say, the nuclear industry and the Plant Vogtle expansion in particular face challenges, despite talk of an anticipated nuclear “renaissance.”

Southern Co. has said it expects the Vogtle expansion to receive its operating license from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission sometime in 2011.

 

[Finalshot]

I read the news and follow the issues too. I'm not making any comment about the who what or why it wont happen. I'm also aware, as is all of america of the news about nukes and the USA and our future. I made a prediction about what I believe will happen on the ground . . . it's a prediction. If I were you I would not hold my breath to see any new nuke power in the near future. . . forces for or against not withstanding. . .

 

[sweetnectar]

Does Obama hunt? ...just wondering

 

[JoseCuervo]

Does Obama hunt? ...just wondering

I think about the same as Dubya Bush, Bush Senior, Reagan, Ford, Nixon....

You don't find a lot of educated, bright, driven people who hunt.

 

[sweetnectar]

I know Cheney does I have to laugh when some politicians pretend to hunt.

 

[Bucnutz.wis]

I know Cheney does I have to laugh when some politicians pretend to hunt.

Ah... but most politicians are not as educated, bright, and driven as most hunters.

 

[fowladdict]

You don't find a lot of educated, bright, driven people who hunt.

I think you are right.

 

[krshunter]

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021810_monumentlist.pdf

At the top of page five there is a paragraph about checkerboard consolidation. Sounds a bit pie-in-the-sky to me.

I've been copied on a number of emails in the last couple days from some of the ranchers whose land is included in this monument list. They didn't even know their land was up for sale. $2.3 billion goes a long way in managing some of these lands that are currently designated in some fashion but don't see much management activity.

As an example, the last time I hunted in SW Wyoming I called in a couple of clowns for driving ATV's everywhere they weren't supposed to be, running through a fence and shooting at two deer from about 400yds with me standing in orange about 100yds from the deer preparing to shoot. When we finally were contacted in the field by the game warden he apologized for not being able to get to us sooner but said he was the only warden in the area and responsible for covering about 2500 square miles of some of the best mule deer and elk areas in Wyoming. Designating area like this won't keep them from being abused.

 

[Finalshot]

??????? what lands are being sold that are in private hands and the owners are un aware?

 

[Oak]

??????? what lands are being sold that are in private hands and the owners are un aware?

He is refering to the link I posted that says the government plans to consolidate checkerboard lands through land exchanges and purchases. This plan assumes there are willing sellers. What would be the incentive to sell lands that effectively give you control of twice as much land as is deeded to you? I wouldn't sell or exchange either.

What are the eminent domain laws in a case like this? GW Bush signed an executive order limiting the use of eminent domain by the government, but it includes this exclusion:

Nothing in this order shall be construed to prohibit a taking of private property by the Federal Government, that otherwise complies with applicable law, for the purpose of:

(a)public ownership or exclusive use of the property by the public, such as for a public medical facility, roadway, park, forest, governmental office building, or military reservation;

 

[krshunter]

??????? what lands are being sold that are in private hands and the owners are un aware?

Following are some portions of text from a Department of the Interior draft document I received yesterday from a land owner.

"Upper Green on Fed list for high-priority Land Rationalization effort"

"...an internal Department of Interior (DOI) draft document which shows proposals for land acquisitions into the Bureau of Land Management’s National Landscape Conservation System (NLCS). The proposal includes land in the Upper Green River Valley and Red Desert of Wyoming.

The article is based on what is claimed to be a leaked internal DOI draft document which is marked "Internal Draft - NOT FOR RELEASE".

Included in the list of "High Priority Land-Rationalization Efforts" is a proposal to spend over $2.3 billion ($2,383,260,000.00) to acquire 397,210 acres of private ranch land in the Upper Green River Valley to conserve large private ranches that are located at the base of the Wyoming and Wind River Ranges in the Upper Green River Valley...

All of the projects involve the federal government making purchases to acquiring private and state land.

Sublette County contains 3,168,086 acres. 19% (596,237 acres) is private. 76% is federal (BLM 40%-1,272,968 acres, National Forest 36%-1,142,994 acres) and 4% is state ownership (122,999 acres). This initiative proposes to purchase an additional 397,210 acres of private land in the Upper Green River Valley and bring it into federal ownership. It would reduce private land ownership in Sublette County to 199,027 acres, 6% of the total county acreage, and increase federal land ownership to 53% of the total county acreage".

This is just a portion of lands in Wyoming that I have mentioned. The owners of the "private land" in question were not aware that they were selling their ranches to anyone. The have only recently become aware of the proposal because of leaked documents and relationships with local government officials. I'm not speaking for any of the other states as I'm not familiar with them. As I mentioned in an earlier email, my father was a long time BLM district manager and is currently managing the majority of the private lands that they are speaking about in the Red Desert and Adobe Town areas of Wyoming. His comment to government officials was that he didn't know they were up for sale.