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mtmiller

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New Mexico has sold nearly 30 percent of the land it received from the federal government before becoming a state, an analysis by the Wilderness Society has found.

The report looked at original state trust lands — 13.4 million acres transferred from the federal government to the then-territory more than 100 years ago. The Land of Enchantment has sold off 4 million acres of state trust lands since it joined the union in 1912, the group found.

Wilderness Society New Mexico State Director Michael Casaus said the analysis should serve as a warning to residents, arguing that state officials could similarly dispose of federal lands if that acreage were turned over to state control.

"I think what this report highlights is that New Mexico has a long history of disposing of its state trust lands, and if these extreme public land opponents get their wish, what the public is going to see are locked gates and "no trespassing" signs on our national forests and other public lands that New Mexicans care so much about," Casaus .

He pointed to a dozen pieces of legislation that have been introduced in the New Mexico Legislature since 2013 that called for assuming control of federal lands including forests, refuges and parks. The Republican National Committee also called for disposing of federal lands in its 2016 campaign platform.

"It's basically a forewarning that if our public lands were under state control, they could be sold off anytime to private interests and corporations for profit," Casaus said.

According to the Wilderness Society's findings — which Casaus said required sifting through microfiche and other archival information in the state land office to obtain — some prior sales have resulted in environmental disasters in the state.

The report highlights the sale of 4,000 acres of land near Questa, N.M., a portion of which was used as a mine tailings facility. That land, now owned by Chevron Corp., was declared a Superfund site by U.S. EPA in 2011 and is now the focus of a $143 million cleanup effort announced last year.

Other sales included the disposal of 14,710 acres near Artesia to Yates Petroleum Corp. in 1993 and 7,181 acres near Hurley to the Chino Copper Co. in 1910.

But unlike federal lands, the New Mexico State Land Office notes, the state trust lands are not public lands. Rather, the property is held in a trust to benefit New Mexico schools and universities as well as other institutions.

The state generates funds from both the remaining 9 million acres of state trust lands as well as 13 million acres of mineral rights in its subsurface estate. In fiscal 2016, New Mexico reported raising nearly $497 million from the lands, largely from oil and gas royalties.

Casaus disputes arguments that sales of the land serve the intended purpose of the state land trusts by generating funds for the state's schools, universities, hospitals and other facilities.

"By selling off a particular parcel of state land, the beneficiary only receives that one-time benefit and loses all future revenue potential for that piece of property," he said.
 

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So what you are saying is:

It doesn't matter if a bio is looking at tags in a unit and says " I have 30 bull tags to give out". 15 go to land owners so that only leaves 15 for the public draw? That does not matter?
 

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So what you are saying is:

It doesn't matter if a bio is looking at tags in a unit and says " I have 30 bull tags to give out". 15 go to land owners so that only leaves 15 for the public draw? That does not matter?
Maybe is new math or alternative herd management. Shucks, might as well start creating magic tags and give out 10 or 20 more sheep permits for landowners to have since has no impact on the public draw or herd management. Abracadabra presto it is magic permits!
 

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[video=youtube_share;YdiEzpv9GtE]https://youtu.be/YdiEzpv9GtE?list=PLLdxutimd-JsEtFEIVd4kfFhn3EMTBRuC[/video]

A screen shot below from 2:44 of the video above that shows what the NM Land Board puts that the bottom of every page of their website.
NM State lands.jpg

Go here and see how proud they are that their State Trust Lands are NOT public lands http://www.nmstatelands.org/
 

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But the Game department pays the lease fees to the land office to allow hunters and anglers access on many of those areas. Camping may be allowed, but the person leasing the land has to grant permission. Not as convenient as public federal land, for sure, but it is not closed to hunting/fishing as their web page suggests.

"...the State Game Commission has purchased an easement on state trust land for fishermen, hunters and trappers to use. Most are open to public hunting and other recreation; there are some lands withdrawn for hunting access. It is the individual’s responsibility to get all pertinent information from each agency and to know the regulations that each agency has on its managed lands."

under the 'sportsmen' tab of the 'recreational access' dropdown on the page Randy references above.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should transfer more land to them, but just trying to clarify that although it's labeled as not public, the game department leases it for hunters and anglers to use.
 

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So what you are saying is:

It doesn't matter if a bio is looking at tags in a unit and says " I have 30 bull tags to give out". 15 go to land owners so that only leaves 15 for the public draw? That does not matter?
The number of tags available in the COER is established, then the split of public draw vs LO is set by legislation. The individual ranch qty is set by acreage and ECR formula. The dept can't simply say, "last year LO's had 200 bull tags left over so we're going to move them to the public draw." That's part of the rub between LO's and the public; tags not being used.
 

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But the Game department pays the lease fees to the land office to allow hunters and anglers access on many of those areas. Camping may be allowed, but the person leasing the land has to grant permission. Not as convenient as public federal land, for sure, but it is not closed to hunting/fishing as their web page suggests.

"...the State Game Commission has purchased an easement on state trust land for fishermen, hunters and trappers to use. Most are open to public hunting and other recreation; there are some lands withdrawn for hunting access. It is the individual’s responsibility to get all pertinent information from each agency and to know the regulations that each agency has on its managed lands."

under the 'sportsmen' tab of the 'recreational access' dropdown on the page Randy references above.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should transfer more land to them, but just trying to clarify that although it's labeled as not public, the game department leases it for hunters and anglers to use.
Yea, that lease started at 2 million for 2016 and got negotiated down to 1 million, per year. Dunn tried a cpl months ago to get another 4 million. If he wakes up tomorrow and decides he's tired of hunters on state land, you won't be hunting state Land in NM when the lease runs out. No public comments, no public hearings, it's a one man show.

Then there's the Leo Simms negotiated sheep transfer to state Land and the 30 year lease deal Dunn and Simms made after the Sheep got dropped off. You think Simms is going to let you on that State Land to look at YOUR Sheep?
 

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Simms deal was a sham, but Leo is dead and the state didn't issue any licenses for those sheep after his exclusive lease. I do believe they are now considering including his ranch in the sheep access program up there.
 

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NM has a long history of land deal corruption, way longer than the US has been around.
BF's video is on point. There are a handfull of spots to camp on state lands,maybe. If the lessee does not run you off.Cannot hunt many of the state lands or BLM with LO tags anyway.
Dunn would sell them or trade them all if he could. Fortunately or not he has no real staff in the field, so it is a free for all.

Land owner haters will always hate.
Folks who work with them are welcome to work with them. RMEF,WTF,NMG&F & some others.

Once again.LO tags are not taken out of draw pool,never have been.They are in addition to the regular draw.
 

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Dink shooter isn't saying they are TAKEN from the draw pool.What he is saying is it effects how many tags will be made available in the draw.If they only want to issue 30 bull tags for a unit and know 15 are going to LO then that only allows for 15 tags left to go to the draw.Every unit has so many tags available.LO tags are figured in and what's left we get to fight over in the draw.Not sure what's hard to understand
 

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It does have to do with carrying capacity on public lands. Those are the tags available on public lands.
The # of tags available in the draw does not change each year.
They doubled the public draw tags in my unit 3 yrs ago & cut LO tags.Some in half.
 

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Dink shooter isn't saying they are TAKEN from the draw pool.What he is saying is it effects how many tags will be made available in the draw.If they only want to issue 30 bull tags for a unit and know 15 are going to LO then that only allows for 15 tags left to go to the draw.Every unit has so many tags available.LO tags are figured in and what's left we get to fight over in the draw.Not sure what's hard to understand
THis!
 
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