At some point the Rs are going to get tired of his games.
Newest US Senate Land Sale Amendment
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Plenty of proper places for a conversation, not here.
Just for the little people. Not for the important people.
why does there seem to be such an outcry about outing Daines? Is it just because he's not wringing his fist in the air about like we are? My impression is similar to what Bigfin said, he's walking a tight rope and needs to not make enemies with Lee who he has to work directly with? To me his response below reads like Zinke's post mentioned earlier - anti-sell off, pro-better use of the resources. Am i missing something?
If anyone hasn’t called there senators yet Trout Unlimited sent an email with a “script.” It gives some talking points to mention if you are unsure what to say. You don’t need to follow it but if you haven’t called because you are unsure what to say then please use it.
I reached out the the Alaskan Senators last night since they’ve been pretty quiet. With both Montana and Idaho Senators publicly opposed it I would think they could come out without much backlash from the party.
I wrote and called Senator Thune encouraging him to uphold the parliamentarians decision. I also encouraged him to pressure Lee to stop wasting time on this when millions of American oppose it and there are other issues the Senate should be addressing.
I reached out the the Alaskan Senators last night since they’ve been pretty quiet. With both Montana and Idaho Senators publicly opposed it I would think they could come out without much backlash from the party.
I wrote and called Senator Thune encouraging him to uphold the parliamentarians decision. I also encouraged him to pressure Lee to stop wasting time on this when millions of American oppose it and there are other issues the Senate should be addressing.
Here is the Elk Talk Podcast with Mike Simpson. His segment starts at about 34:00, where we jump in as he is talking about how he and Jon Tester got wolves delisted in the Northern Rockies.
He stays on until about 1:07:00, during which time he explains how he and Ryan Zinke have told House leadership that Lee's language is DOA in the House, a message Speak Johnson delivered to Senator Thune last night. He also jumps in to say how with his position on the House Approps Committee he intends to restore the LWCF funding the President has cut from his version of the budget.
Spotify link here (feel free to share) - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...man-mike-simpson/id1402903701?i=1000714693700
He stays on until about 1:07:00, during which time he explains how he and Ryan Zinke have told House leadership that Lee's language is DOA in the House, a message Speak Johnson delivered to Senator Thune last night. He also jumps in to say how with his position on the House Approps Committee he intends to restore the LWCF funding the President has cut from his version of the budget.
Spotify link here (feel free to share) - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...man-mike-simpson/id1402903701?i=1000714693700
SAJ-99
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The parliamentarian keeps bailing him and others out. If all the Senators that said they are against it would be hard and public 'No', Lee wouldn't be rewriting the item for the third time. You see the conflict in the various messages, be it Zinke and "The Fed does a crappy job managing lands, but I'm against" or Daines touting the GAOA and "permanent funding of LWCF", even though in the budget the LWCF funds are redirected away from land acquisition and conservation projects. Not to mention that fact that these agencies are getting substantial cuts to budgets, making management of these lands even more difficult. No way to square the circle if you dig past the headline.
If anything sneaks past the parliamentarian you will see it pass and they will say typical politician speak like "I did everything I could and at least got blah, blah, and blah for you".
I would love to be wrong, but there is so much in this bill that the president wants and voting against it could be viewed as political suicide.
So people are upset because They are calling for him to poilitically suicide himself and he won't?
406dn
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The portion of his letter that really hedges his bet is the sentence where he says " I do not support the mass transfer or sale of federal public land to state or private ownership."
He has left himself all the wiggle room he needs to agree to modest sales or transfers.
I share your concern with this scenario.
Nameless Range
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Zinke knows the notes to sing here, and is being praised for it. I think that’s a good thing, and hope his colleagues follow suit. It’s kind of stunning how many could have stock that’s rising if they took this very uncontroversial stance.
SAJ-99
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I can only speak for myself, but on this issue I asking him to grow a pair and do his job. He seems to be for a lot of stuff in this bill that hurts his constituents, the environment, and the outdoors, but is only openly against this narrow part of the bill that includes the land sales. I would like to know how 'against' it he is.
Situations like the John McCain giving the thumbs down on repealing ACA are very rare in US politics. Things don't get brought for a vote without knowing the approximate outcome. The reason it hasn't come to a vote yet is seems mostly because of house members that want higher SALT deductions and those who want more narrow cuts to medicaid. I'm not sure any R member of the Senate is willing to die on this hill of Fed land sales or transfer.
There is only one person many of them are concerned with right now, it’s not their constituents.
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Secretary of INterior wants it to happen, he was here in santa fe a few days ago at Govs meeting. You can see him on youtube testifying at a hearing about this with Lee. Check it out. They are spouting lies and it looked like a rehearsed exchange.
mbhuberman
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John Thune so far is allowing the Senate Parliamentarian to do their job. If this continues despite Trump's pressure, then the provision may be reduced.
EDIT to this.
What I was told was not completely correct. There was not a denial, rather Lee is offering to submit some more changes to gain compliance. Should have the final ruling this evening.
The call to action is still the same.
B&CTom
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I hung up on that exact same word when I received his letter a couple weeks ago. I hoped the intent in that calculated wording was to acknowledge there is already a process for disposal/transfer of federal lands. Look no further than WyoCoalMiner's earlier post, which eloquently points out sometimes lands swaps and sales make sense and benefit the community. Knowing that Montana was excluded from Lee's proposal intensifies the concerns with Daines' statement regarding "mass" transfer/sale. We may know soon enough.
I hope our Wyoming crew knows they have an incredible advocate in Aaron Kerr. I befriended him through our professional relationship as Wyoming's Boating Law Administrator, but he wears a number of hats for the state. I am sure he's restricted in what he can do professionally to push back against this land grab, but he's doing his level best as a citizen to spread the work and get this stupid crap cancelled.
