My Two-year HOWA Experiment

ImBillT

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Gotta disagree. Not what this package is targeted for. Seems to me it's the non handloader with no ballistics knowledge who thinks they need to twist at moderate ranges. Just my opinion of course. mtmuley
I agree with mtmuley.
 

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Yeah may be true...moa is just so complicated.
For some I think it is. When I think rifle packages, I see the non handloader that will pick the best factory stuff and send the dial. Some I bet don't even verify velocity and use the box numbers. But, I like long barrels, what do I know? mtmuley
 

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This package is perfect for people like my brother in law. He loves to hunt but only gets out a few days a year. Work and family obligations take up the majority of his free time. He’s not interested in nit picking ballistics tables or reloading, he just needs a solid rifle to hunt with and has the means to buy something better than one of the cheap combos for sale in the discount stores.
 

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From what I have learned from people here, that list of cartridges seems very light on the "light" side. That is, for younger shooters, women, or guys that like less recoil, your list of 4 has exactly one option, the 6.5 MB. Seems like a .243 or 7 mm option is definitely needed. You are not much of a fan of the 6.5 MB esp for elkish things, from what I have gathered from your posts and elktalklive, so where is the gentler, kinder elk/Bbear/moose rifle?

Of course, I'm only interested in proper cases (with rims), preferably straight, and with a least a 3 for the first digit (mouse guns) and a 4 for everything else, so what do I know?
 

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Grew up with .308 and .30-06,prefer .308 because of a bolt action
chamber on the model I have.Seems to be more accurate. 😎
 

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From what I have learned from people here, that list of cartridges seems very light on the "light" side. That is, for younger shooters, women, or guys that like less recoil, your list of 4 has exactly one option, the 6.5 MB. Seems like a .243 or 7 mm option is definitely needed. You are not much of a fan of the 6.5 MB esp for elkish things, from what I have gathered from your posts and elktalklive, so where is the gentler, kinder elk/Bbear/moose rifle?

Of course, I'm only interested in proper cases (with rims), preferably straight, and with a least a 3 for the first digit (mouse guns) and a 4 for everything else, so what do I know?
You're lucky you don't have to cloud your mind with ballistics. mtmuley
 

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You're lucky you don't have to cloud your mind with ballistics. mtmuley
Oh, my mind is far cloudier than yours in that regard. Ballistics are EVERYTHING if I want to hit anything at range, drops and windage being what they are for sluggards of bullets that trundle along at barely sonic or even less velocities. I however, get the joy of waiting in anticipate for the outcome of a trigger jerk, and, if a partner is with me and the sun to our backs, he may even get to watch the bullet wandering along its arc of fate.
 

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Yeah may be true...moa is just so complicated.
How many people know or care what true moa is? Nominal MOA, yes, but true MOA? Not many. Personally, True MOA is pretty useless and this is one place where nominal values work much better. Even better yet, when you have a 36" sight radius.
 

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Oh, my mind is far cloudier than yours in that regard. Ballistics are EVERYTHING if I want to hit anything at range, drops and windage being what they are for sluggards of bullets that trundle along at barely sonic or even less velocities. I however, get the joy of waiting in anticipate for the outcome of a trigger jerk, and, if a partner is with me and the sun to our backs, he may even get to watch the bullet wandering along its arc of fate.
Shoulda hit the sarcasm font. I understand what you do. Ballistics matter, no matter the weapon. Someday I might give up the fire breathers with unnecessary barrels. Ha. mtmuley
 

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I can't wait to see what the final product is when it comes out, this post has definitely peaked my interest. Thanks Big Fin!
 

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Gotta disagree. Not what this package is targeted for. Seems to me it's the non handloader with no ballistics knowledge who thinks they need to twist at moderate ranges. Just my opinion of course. mtmuley
I get your point here, but I myself like to turn a dial so I can aim where I want the bullet to go without holding over, and I don't shoot real far. It's that simple. What's the point of having multiple pins or an adjustable sight on a bow? To hit where you are aiming.
 

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Do we know if Howa will have these available before next season (2020)?

I feel if they were trying to have them available for this year's season, we would already be seeing them in stores.
 

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For some I think it is. When I think rifle packages, I see the non handloader that will pick the best factory stuff and send the dial. Some I bet don't even verify velocity and use the box numbers. But, I like long barrels, what do I know? mtmuley

I would agree most don't verify the velocity. Especially if they're going to buy one of the package deals. I reload and still don't have a chrono, but you can get pretty close.

The key is to verify what you're using on the dial.
 

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I love the howa barreled action I have in a H&S Precision stock. Very nice pairing at the price point. (But mine is happily a 25-06 that is solely an antelope gun for me - I am just not a one gun guy - more like golf clubs - each shot needs its own rifle :)
Sweet the next two bottleneck centerfire bolt action rifle that I want to get after I get my .300 WSM is a .25 caliber (either a 25-06 or a .257 WBy Mag that I have been reading about.) and a 22-250. I really do want to try out a Howa rifle in either of those two or maybe build my first bolt gun in that caliber. A friend of mine built one in a 25-06 and .30-06. Since I have a .270 Win that handles that 130-150 grain pills, I think the 25-06 will fill the gap with the 75-125 grain admirably, and be a fun light recoil shooter.
 

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Sucks for me, I'm left handed.
However I love the scope choice. So many times these packages come with entry level type scopes.
As to price.....my guess is $1000, add $100 for magnums. Just spitballing
I am a right handed person that is left eye dominate and my first bolt action rifle that my Dad bought me when I was around 16 is a .270 Win in a Savage Model 110 that is left hand and I still have it and use it. So I thought for years and years a decade even that my next rifle has to be left handed. My Dad is also right handed, but left eye dominate and both of his Winchester M70s in .300 Win Mag and .243 Win respectively are right handed bolt action rifles that he has shot plenty of deer with over the years. So after some talking with him and some gun people that I trust in their knowledge I let go of it has to be a left handed rifle or else thought. One can actuate the bolt with one's right hand without moving one's finger from being close to the trigger and still have your eye in the scope. I actually ordered a Savage Model 110 Long Range Hunter in .300 WSM that I am saving $300 on and didn't care anymore about left vs right handed. Sure it may take a little while to train myself, but I am not going to let that restrict me anymore, which opens up ones options to everything and anything that is within your budget. I did the same thing when learning how to use a baitcaster while fishing now I can use both interchangeably. Pick up a buddy or family member's rifle that is right handed and give it a try to see how works and if it could work for you.
 

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I wish more manufacturers would take this into account. I also seem to find that more and more left eye dominant/right handed shooters exist but have a difficult time using a left handed stock because of right handed dexterity. I personally have this "Amazing Anomaly" myself. Ambidextrous stocks with right hand bolt seem to be far and few between. I have learned to adapt over the years to almost any right handed stock and can shoot just about any rifle brand but it would be nice to see more ambidextrous stocks on the market.

For all the "goofy shooters" like myself I wouldn't hold your breath on the left handed cheek rest/right bolt action rifle to become mainstream but it's nice to dream about it.
I am also a left eye dominant/right handed shooter as well is my Dad. He has shot his Winchester M70 in .300 Win Mag (that has a Monte Carlo Stock) and .243 Win that are both right handed bolt guns for decades and put down plenty of deer. Of course in the late 70s when he got the .300 and early 90s when he got the .243 Featherweight there wasn't much in the way of left hand bolt guns so that is what he learned to hunt with. (even though he thought he ordered the .243 in left lol) ... My .270 Win is a left handed rifle and for years heck decades I didn't want my next rifle to be right handed which limited my options, but recently I let go of that thought as long as the stock isn't funky like a thumbhole or really high Monte Carlo. Would be cool to make one's own left handed cheek rest/right bolt action stock to fit most of the rifled actions out there.
 
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