He might. He's been vocal about supporting raising taxes and fees in order to grow state government. So - you know - Big Gov't loving liberal and all.
I bet he even has a poster of Nancy Pelosi over his bed.
MT GOP: Transfer Federal Lands to the State
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He might. He's been vocal about supporting raising taxes and fees in order to grow state government. So - you know - Big Gov't loving liberal and all.
I bet he even has a poster of Nancy Pelosi over his bed.
El Jason
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Yes, I watched the episode. I fail to see where you see Randy stating that CPW is anti-NR hunter? Facts are facts. If all federal land in CO was transferred to CO land trust you wouldn't hunt it.
There are numerous states throughout the west where the state land trust board/dept/commision is charged with MAXIMIZING revenue. It rarely works out good for hunters.
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Buzz,
Telling someone they are dumb, small minded, only have 1 firing brain cell, foolish, etc.. is about the most predictable response on the internet. I take internet insults like a grain of salt.
The only people who look like a fool are those who share their opinion but dont' back it up with any proof. It's easy to scare people with shocking statements but another to prove those statements are true.
Is Colorado really getting ready to lock out hunters from 23 million acres? Heck no, but it sounds good and can scare people who don't know any better.
Is the federal government the only group that can properly manage large pieces of land. Heck no, but that is what they want you to believe.
Is the state really going to take that land and sell if off if it is transferred to them? Heck no but that is what they want you top believe.
Is managing land so complicated that only the federal government can do it? Heck no, but you want me to believe that.
Are the states going to immediately ban NR's from hunting in their state if the land is transferred? Heck no. But it sounds scary so they tell you it's true.
I know it is hard to believe but you being a government employees makes you biased in this discussion. In fact you will notice most of the pro big government posts on this thread are from people involved in the government in some way. That is a conflict of interest that wont' allow you to take your USFS blinders off and see what is obvious to other people.
As far as the last posts I simply pointed out ways that each state is working to promote NR hunting. They are 100% true.
To say that sates like Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, and South Dakota are not working hard to promote NR hunting in the state is simply false and not based on facts. All these states like the money it generates so they work hard to keep it flowing.
HSi-ESi
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It is history
Therefore it is no mystery
I could clue you in
But I won't, because I can't top Big Fin
There is your rhyme and reason. Over and out.
I am still chuckling over this.
to quote Tombstone-
"I know, let's have a spelling contest"
roadhunter
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Post 128.
Ok. So you want me to believe Colorado is going to shut down all hunting on federal lands in the state?
There are many reasons that would never happen the biggest one being $. Not sure how you can say a state that works so hard to promote NR hunting is going to shut it down. It just does not make any sense. But it is scary, and I think that is the point.
You cannot spend 20 years talking about selling off public land like these people have, and then simply ask people to trust you. Privatization is and has always been the goal:
http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa363.pdf
http://heartland.org/policy-documents/how-and-why-transfer-blm-lands-states
http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa363.pdf
http://heartland.org/policy-documents/how-and-why-transfer-blm-lands-states
smarandr
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Roadhunter,
It wasn’t that long ago that I shared a lot of your views. I had grown up thinking that liberals were the scourge of our great country and that if we could just follow the gospels of Rush, Sean, and Glenn we’d be living in a perfect society. The problem is, no ideology, party, or single group of people have a monopoly on truth. I still consider myself a pretty conservative guy, and on occasion still listen to the beloved Brother Beck. But, I’ve broadened my world view, and have seen that he and his buddies doesn’t always know what they’re talking about. Thanks in a large part to what I’ve learned reading through threads like this on this site and the research it’s inspired me to do I’ve learned a whole lot more than back “when I knew it all.” Do yourself a favor, take off the tunnel vision glasses—there’s a whole lot of the world you’re missing.
It wasn’t that long ago that I shared a lot of your views. I had grown up thinking that liberals were the scourge of our great country and that if we could just follow the gospels of Rush, Sean, and Glenn we’d be living in a perfect society. The problem is, no ideology, party, or single group of people have a monopoly on truth. I still consider myself a pretty conservative guy, and on occasion still listen to the beloved Brother Beck. But, I’ve broadened my world view, and have seen that he and his buddies doesn’t always know what they’re talking about. Thanks in a large part to what I’ve learned reading through threads like this on this site and the research it’s inspired me to do I’ve learned a whole lot more than back “when I knew it all.” Do yourself a favor, take off the tunnel vision glasses—there’s a whole lot of the world you’re missing.
RobG
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I provided examples in multiple states where they are working hard to bring in NR hunters. Those are facts that prove they want NR hunters in their state. You have not provided even 1 example. None. And now you claim victory. That is funny.
Nice rhymes by the way. Reminds me of watching cat in the hat with my daughter.
Not claiming victory, but...
Fin knowledgeable
But you do not believe him
So I don't waste time
Now I have given you rhyme, reason, and a &*@# Haiku. You should need nothing else from me.
roadhunter
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I love it. You claim you never said Colorado was anti hunter and then even in this post go right back to Colorado stopping hunting on 23 million acres which makes them anti hunter. Thanks for proving my point for me.
Please provide a link to the fact that 23 million acres of land has been shut off to hunting in Colorado. Oh that's right it never happened so it can't be a fact.
And even if it did it is likely that hunting and outdoor recreation would be allowed because the folks in Colorado would go crazy if that happened on such a huge piece of land. But don't let being realistic get in the way of a scary statement meant to shock people.
BuzzH
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roadhunter,
Dude...come on, I'm embarrassed for you. I've never seen anyone on the history of hunttalk take a beating like this. Even elkcheese made more sense.
Impressive, and not in a good way.
Dude...come on, I'm embarrassed for you. I've never seen anyone on the history of hunttalk take a beating like this. Even elkcheese made more sense.
Impressive, and not in a good way.
Your continual denial of the highlighted fact above is helpful in showing how advocates of this idea operate.
FACT for all reading - If Colorado got control of the 23 million acres of Federal lands within their borders, those lands would not be open to hunting. Not because CPW would close them, rather because CO law does not make them open to hunting.
Your continued deflection of the question about your response if Obama closed 23 millions acres to hunting is good evidence of how hypocritical the folks are who support this agenda. Look forward to the day when you might answer that question.
Nemont
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It is fairly simple, The states do not have the resources to manage these lands,
I don't know how the same guys bring bills to the legislature that demand no net gain in state lands because they believe the state doesn't do a good job of managing those lands and they don't like the state competing with private parties that want to purchase lands. Yet the very same people want to take over all the BLM and FS service lands.
If you can't see the hand writing on the wall for what the actual goal is , then you are brain dead. The state legislators are part time politicians who can be bought off with some good booze and a prime rib dinner. It isn't long before the move to sell these lands would start and the stampede would not stop.
I dislike the federal government and the way it does things and spends my tax money probably as much or more than anyone on here. The public lands are a treasure for all Americans, not just those in the states where those lands are and they should not be transferred to the states to be pi$$ed away just because there may be some mismanagement of those lands at times.
The amount of money involved is a rounding error in the Medicare and Social Security Budgets.
Nemont
I don't know how the same guys bring bills to the legislature that demand no net gain in state lands because they believe the state doesn't do a good job of managing those lands and they don't like the state competing with private parties that want to purchase lands. Yet the very same people want to take over all the BLM and FS service lands.
If you can't see the hand writing on the wall for what the actual goal is , then you are brain dead. The state legislators are part time politicians who can be bought off with some good booze and a prime rib dinner. It isn't long before the move to sell these lands would start and the stampede would not stop.
I dislike the federal government and the way it does things and spends my tax money probably as much or more than anyone on here. The public lands are a treasure for all Americans, not just those in the states where those lands are and they should not be transferred to the states to be pi$$ed away just because there may be some mismanagement of those lands at times.
The amount of money involved is a rounding error in the Medicare and Social Security Budgets.
Nemont
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JoseCuervo
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Easy there Mr. Marvel.
I love it when the "free market" crowd gets nervous with a "free market", and has to drag in other "non-quantifiable" benefits, you know, social things....
Amen.
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BuzzH
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Nemont knocks it out of the park...and slams the door in roadhunters face for an encore.
Well said Nemont...
Well said Nemont...
Frenchy
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Can you guarantee us all that the state(s) won't sell off any of the lands transferred to them? Can you gurantee it into perpetuity?
Can you gurantee that the current access laws won't be reduced? Can you gurantee it into perpetuity?
Can you gurantee the land won't be logged/mined/grazed/develope to oblivion? Can you gurantee it into perpetuity?
If your answer is no to any of the above, than everyone on here that has raised concerns or doubts about the good intentions of this land transfer is validated. All or none of these dastardly acts may or may not happed. What we are saying is that we don't know, and the risk is to great to take a chance on the good intentions of state politicians with all sorts of corrupt motives and influances.
Secondly how can you talk about the all the ineptitudes of the Big Bad Federal Government, and then turn around and promote the efficencies of state governments that will suddenly be much larger with the aquasition of all federal lands with in their borders. I don't get it. Your heart may very well be in the right place, but your logic misses the mark terribly.
Hard to beat the hypocrisy pointed out be Nemont. I am sure some will argue that even though Nemont's case has mountains of black and white evidence, "It just isn't so."
Since Roadhunter struggles with Google searches, I decided to provide a little assistance on his struggle to see who is in charge of hunting access on state lands in CO. It is surely not CPW.
Here is a screen shot of the FAQ related to hunting state lands in Colorado, straight from the Colorado State Land Board website. Given the reading comprehension displayed here, this might not be helpful to him. But some people are better with pictures than they are with words and sentences, so I will post a picture.
You can read it at this link.
http://www.trustlands.state.co.us/Sections/FieldOperations/Pages/FAQs.aspx#A17
Since Roadhunter struggles with Google searches, I decided to provide a little assistance on his struggle to see who is in charge of hunting access on state lands in CO. It is surely not CPW.
Here is a screen shot of the FAQ related to hunting state lands in Colorado, straight from the Colorado State Land Board website. Given the reading comprehension displayed here, this might not be helpful to him. But some people are better with pictures than they are with words and sentences, so I will post a picture.
You can read it at this link.
http://www.trustlands.state.co.us/Sections/FieldOperations/Pages/FAQs.aspx#A17
RobG
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Yessiree.
Straight Arrow
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Nemont's post is succinct, clear, accurate, and compelling.
Thanks for clarifying this so nicely.
Thanks for clarifying this so nicely.
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